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02/28/2007 05:00:40 PM · #76 |
| If I were able to unsubmit all my tanked shots, I'd not have much left in my Challenge portfolio. :-) |
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02/28/2007 05:27:12 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by DJWoodward:
I agree that your suggestion may change your "experience" but I don't understand how it changes your "learning". |
What I was thinking.
What you are experiencing and learning is that you take crappy pictures you thought were good enough to score well, and that is all you want....GOOD SCORE. But, in reality, if you want to learn or get feedback, you wait for the comments and your final score. Lots of comments do come AFTER the challenge is over. Then the next challenge you work on what you did wrong/right on the last shot, to improve through the comments, etc. Gettin no comments...ask after.
I do believe the real learning is commenting and feedback.
Message edited by author 2007-02-28 17:28:47.
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02/28/2007 05:41:21 PM · #78 |
I don't get the "learning" argument. You don't learn anything by submitting to challenges regardless of score. That's the "test" part. The learning part is what you're suppose to do IN BETWEEN challenges like making comments, studying other people's photos, asking for tips, etc., etc.
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02/28/2007 05:48:33 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I don't get the "learning" argument. You don't learn anything by submitting to challenges regardless of score. That's the "test" part. The learning part is what you're suppose to do IN BETWEEN challenges like making comments, studying other people's photos, asking for tips, etc., etc. |
guess i agree with this. i have learned more in the forms and by trying to copy others work and change it to my own than from any entry. |
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02/28/2007 05:54:18 PM · #80 |
I agree with what has been said, but eventually, the only way you get the feedback is by submitting your newly learned knowledge in challenges for the voters to decide. If you have learnt anything it will show by increased scores, as long as you have learnt the format that satisfies voters on DPC.
But, the main thing is get pleasure and fun from your photos! |
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02/28/2007 05:58:44 PM · #81 |
If there's another way to experience DPC - and it doesn't interfere with your experience - why do you care?
I don't want you to change your experience.
I want to change mine.
I don't care if you understand my reaoning.
I just want to know what you are so scared of to do this - why does EVERYONE have to experience DPC just like YOU do? Why does my experience have to stay the same as everybody elses through history if there is another way that doesn't affect your way?
Message edited by author 2007-02-28 17:59:06.
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02/28/2007 06:02:30 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by digitalknight:
If there's another way to experience DPC - and it doesn't interfere with your experience - why do you care?
I don't want you to change your experience.
I want to change mine.
I don't care if you understand my reaoning.
I just want to know what you are so scared of to do this - why does EVERYONE have to experience DPC just like YOU do? Why does my experience have to stay the same as everybody elses through history if there is another way that doesn't affect your way? |
understand where you are coming from but if i vote on shots that don't count then it affects me, if i comment on shots that people don't want them on(if they pull early then they obviously don't care about getting comments) then it affects me. |
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02/28/2007 06:06:12 PM · #83 |
Again, this is what I propose:
1- a big section at the end the challenge results (after the DQs) of withdrawals marked prominently in yellow,
2- a yellow mark on the profile page (similar to the DQ red right now),
3- a stat kept of withdrawals,
4- the score at the time of withdrawal is still averaged into the overall average (after minimum 50 votes),
5- the comments anyone happened to make on that image are maintained for future generations to appreciate,
It's just adding another way to experience this site. I think you'd agree we don't all learn the same - the web presents an opportunity to customize our experience.
My shots would count - you see how simple and beautiful it is? :-)
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02/28/2007 06:42:21 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by digitalknight:
If there's another way to experience DPC - and it doesn't interfere with your experience - why do you care?
I don't want you to change your experience.
I want to change mine.
I don't care if you understand my reaoning.
I just want to know what you are so scared of to do this - why does EVERYONE have to experience DPC just like YOU do? Why does my experience have to stay the same as everybody elses through history if there is another way that doesn't affect your way? |
Actually, it does affect me and several others. Somebody is going to have to pull those pictures out and make sure all those other things are happening.
And as someone who votes when she can, and enjoys looking at the pictures when time allows, your "experience" is changing mine. It is like a ripple effect when you throw a rock in a pond. The affect on me is minimal, perhaps, but it is changing my experience.
And I'm not scared to change it. I think it is a bad idea, and would be detrimental to the site as a whole. If we were going to allow this, why couldn't we just have an "open" thing where you could upload pictures at will and ask for comments on them?
Oh yea, we do. Your portfolio. :)
Again, I ask -- You are "marking" self-withdrawals with yellow, a stat is kept of those withdrawals, you still get a score average in (this I think would be abused the most, frankly), and the comments are still there. What is the point?
You can remove your entries for any reason. However, if there is more than one in 25, you will be "penalized" by not being able to enter. If you want to "self-dq" four in a row, you can, but you will be prevented from entering for a predetermined amount of time (and we will try to discourage you from doing that.
When the SC decided to allow "self dq," we imposed the penalty, basically, for one primary reason (there may have been other minor incidental reasons, I don't remember) -- to keep people from dq'ing their pics at the drop of a hat. Otherwise, you would have people self-withdrawing everytime theirscore was below a 5, or a 6.
By not allowing it, the responsibility is on you (generic "you" meaning everyone) to enter pictures that you can live with the score on. If you can't live with that score, don't enter. |
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02/28/2007 06:45:38 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by karmat:
If you can't live with that score, don't enter. |
Can you feel the love?
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02/28/2007 06:49:24 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by digitalknight:
Originally posted by karmat:
If you can't live with that score, don't enter. |
Can you feel the love? |
What's love got to do with it?
(sorry couldn't resist?)
I think it is a pretty simple solution, myself. If you wil self-critique, and self-whatever before you enter, you could save yourself and everyone else a lot of grief by not having to unsubmit. (again, the "you" is generic and is meant for everyone, and I am not referring to specific entries in any for or fashion.) |
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02/28/2007 08:46:41 PM · #87 |
I am sure it will affect Drew and Langdon. I am sure the coding for all of this would not be an overnight thing to do. Testing it, bugs, man hours, server and bandwidth increases(?), etc.
Hey, there it is...write some code, start a new site, make things the way you would want. :)
Problem solved. :)
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02/28/2007 08:54:03 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
If it was clearly entered into the wrong challenge, remove it without penalty. If you misread the challenge description and clearly edited under the wrong ruleset, you find out that the time is wrong on your EXIF, etc.
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If you edited agains t the rules or have the date wrong then you broke the rules and it should be a regualr dq. all of your other reasons work under the current self dq rule |
I disagree. There are different cases of rulebreaking. If you know you did something and maintain that it's correct, that should be DQed normally with full penalties. If you *realize* that you did something wrong unintentionally and try to withdraw without any prompting by the SC, you shouldn't be penalized for being honest. |
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02/28/2007 08:55:07 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by karmat:
You can remove your entries for any reason. However, if there is more than one in 25, you will be "penalized" by not being able to enter. If you want to "self-dq" four in a row, you can, but you will be prevented from entering for a predetermined amount of time (and we will try to discourage you from doing that. |
Actually, I think that's not right -- I thought we won't consider a Self-DQ request if someone has a DQ (of any kind) in the previous 25 challenges entered.
But I still think withdrawing photos is a bad idea overall ... |
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02/28/2007 09:11:39 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
If it was clearly entered into the wrong challenge, remove it without penalty. If you misread the challenge description and clearly edited under the wrong ruleset, you find out that the time is wrong on your EXIF, etc.
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If you edited agains t the rules or have the date wrong then you broke the rules and it should be a regualr dq. all of your other reasons work under the current self dq rule |
I disagree. There are different cases of rulebreaking. If you know you did something and maintain that it's correct, that should be DQed normally with full penalties. If you *realize* that you did something wrong unintentionally and try to withdraw without any prompting by the SC, you shouldn't be penalized for being honest. |
people would lie and say they didn't know they did anything wrong. |
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02/28/2007 11:01:05 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by karmat:
You can remove your entries for any reason. However, if there is more than one in 25, you will be "penalized" by not being able to enter. If you want to "self-dq" four in a row, you can, but you will be prevented from entering for a predetermined amount of time (and we will try to discourage you from doing that. |
Actually, I think that's not right -- I thought we won't consider a Self-DQ request if someone has a DQ (of any kind) in the previous 25 challenges entered.
But I still think withdrawing photos is a bad idea overall ... |
you're right. i was having a brain cramp when i typed that.
Message edited by author 2007-02-28 23:07:57. |
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03/01/2007 08:50:37 AM · #92 |
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03/01/2007 09:08:09 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by Skip:
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HAHAHAH!
That's great. :) |
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03/01/2007 09:17:21 AM · #94 |
| I think if it was very easy to withdraw submissions, there would be an increase in very low quality photos. People would submit photos they know are not very good in the hopes that it would be perceived as "artey". I think with the rules as they are now, people give at least a little thought to what they submit. I really don't want to waste my time on voting and commenting on photos people just submitted for the heck of it. |
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