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11/15/2003 02:45:45 PM · #1 |
| what's the difference between advertising and propaganda? Surely people will submit pictures of advertisements. |
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11/15/2003 03:31:46 PM · #2 |
Probably the easiest way to distinguish them is that one tries to sell a thing, the other an idea. Some ads are primarily one or the other, while others include significant elements of both.
AD: Buy XXX Cereal. It tastes good and has vitamins.
COMBO: Buy XXX car. Driving it up and down the highway will make you sexier.
PROPAGANDA: Vote Republican -- We'll take care of you. |
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11/15/2003 03:38:35 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
PROPAGANDA: Vote Republican -- We'll take care of you. |
Hmmm, interesting. That's the Democratic propoganda line - we'll tax the rich and take care of the masses. The Republican (or, more generally, conservative) counter part would be more like: Vote Republican -- We'll enable you to take care of yourself.
Which brings up another aspect of propoganda: not just selling your own agenda, but misrepresenting your opposition's agenda to suit your own aims. In fact, your post itself falls squarely into that realm of propoganda. |
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11/15/2003 03:43:06 PM · #4 |
Well, I guess I really should have been generic:
Vote for Us -- We'll take care of you.
And, I was trying to cite an example of the type of message; and the previous two examples cited hypothetical content .... |
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11/15/2003 03:51:24 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by jackditch:
what's the difference between advertising and propaganda? Surely people will submit pictures of advertisements. |
not much,propaganda is advertising ideology,religion or way of life! |
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11/15/2003 04:12:19 PM · #6 |
| The line between propganda and advertising is blurry, and getting more so. One thing they both have in common is that are trying to convince you of something that is someone between highly exaggerated and wholely untrue. Neither deals with telling you the unvarnished truth. |
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11/15/2003 04:20:08 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Well, I guess I really should have been generic:
Vote for Us -- We'll take care of you.
And, I was trying to cite an example of the type of message; and the previous two examples cited hypothetical content .... |
Oops. Was I being a tad bit too defensive? :) |
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11/15/2003 04:55:07 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Well, I guess I really should have been generic:
Vote for Us -- We'll take care of you.
And, I was trying to cite an example of the type of message; and the previous two examples cited hypothetical content .... |
Oops. Was I being a tad bit too defensive? :) |
No, probably just the right amount. I was being too cynical. I just didn't want to divert a discussion on the nature of propaganda into a discussion on the merits of any particular example. There are already threads enough for that, and in a different forum section. |
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11/15/2003 05:34:30 PM · #9 |
Not surprised that this topic which is a fantastic opportunity to be creative and shocking at the same time is making most of the people (maybe myself included) retire from it.
The damn truth is that most of us SUFFER the propaganda effects (and side-effects) and not produce it.
Propaganda has washed our brains so much that we find even difficult to find examples of it in these times which are overwhelmed by Propaganda messages of any kind.
Maybe we should not even try to be brilliant and cancel/replace this topic with a less "dangerous" one. |
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11/15/2003 05:51:39 PM · #10 |
| It's dangerous to try to portray the concept of propaganda, or an example of it, in a photograph? Please explain. |
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11/15/2003 05:58:34 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
It's dangerous to try to portray the concept of propaganda, or an example of it, in a photograph? Please explain. |
I quoted the term "dangerous".. I mean.. of course, if somebody is creative enough to capture in a photo the feelings of a particular propaganda then it certainly finds enemies among those who live for (and thanks to) that propaganda.
But the "danger" I was referring to was that of not being creative at all and coming out with some awful shot which does not mean anything at all..
I was just saying that (maybe) we are not brilliant enough to tackle such a big concept. |
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11/15/2003 06:01:12 PM · #12 |
A practical example.. taken from the republican/democrats controversy in this thread..
well.. propaganda (the real thing) is not something which makes republican and democrats different from each other..
It is indeed what makes them exactly the same thing.
But it occurs to me that this tought never came into the discussion... |
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11/15/2003 06:19:14 PM · #13 |
| Sorry that you feel we are not brilliant enough. I think I'm going to give it a try anyway. |
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11/15/2003 06:39:20 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Sorry that you feel we are not brilliant enough. I think I'm going to give it a try anyway. |
I didn't mean to be negative, I was just not expecting too much from this challenge.
After all there is nothing better of a nice surprise. Surprise me! =) |
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11/15/2003 06:46:55 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
Originally posted by coolhar:
Sorry that you feel we are not brilliant enough. I think I'm going to give it a try anyway. |
I didn't mean to be negative, I was just not expecting too much from this challenge.
After all there is nothing better of a nice surprise. Surprise me! =) |
I'm giving it a shot, but worried all our good members outside of the US will not grasp the meaning. Not sure I will surprise you, but hope you'll like the photo or part of it. So..what the heck, can't do any worse then I have before. :)
Message edited by author 2003-11-15 18:47:15. |
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11/15/2003 09:38:22 PM · #16 |
Propaganda, dissemination of ideas and information for the purpose of inducing or intensifying specific attitudes and actions. Because propaganda is frequently accompanied by distortions of fact and by appeals to passion and prejudice, it is often thought to be invariably false or misleading. This view is relative, however. Although some propagandists may intentionally distort fact, others may present it as faithfully as objective observers. A lawyer̢۪s brief is as much propaganda as a billboard advertisement. Education, whatever its objective, is a form of propaganda. The essential distinction lies in the intentions of the propagandist to persuade an audience to adopt the attitude or action he or she espouses.
Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2002. © 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Well, I guess that is propaganda to. I̢۪m gong to try, I think, if everything goes right tomorrow.
May the best propagandist win!
Excuse me I mean photographer
Message edited by author 2003-11-15 21:50:58. |
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11/15/2003 09:57:35 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by jmritz:
Propaganda, dissemination of ideas and information for the purpose of inducing or intensifying specific attitudes and actions. Because propaganda is frequently accompanied by distortions of fact and by appeals to passion and prejudice, it is often thought to be invariably false or misleading. This view is relative, however. Although some propagandists may intentionally distort fact, others may present it as faithfully as objective observers. A lawyer̢۪s brief is as much propaganda as a billboard advertisement. Education, whatever its objective, is a form of propaganda. The essential distinction lies in the intentions of the propagandist to persuade an audience to adopt the attitude or action he or she espouses.
Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2002. © 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Well, I guess that is propaganda to... |
Especially when you consider the source. ;-) |
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11/15/2003 10:00:45 PM · #18 |
Especially when you consider the source. ;-) zeuszen
Exactly what I was thinking. It̢۪s everywhere!:) |
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11/15/2003 11:27:25 PM · #19 |
Education is a form of propaganda? Don't think so.
Message edited by author 2003-11-15 23:27:52. |
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11/16/2003 12:00:04 AM · #20 |
| Maybe we need a better definition of propaganda than Microsoft̢۪s?:) |
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