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02/14/2007 08:45:42 AM · #26 |
Is it possible to drop all censorship and have an age rating instead. confirm the DOB through the profile and password protect the challenge is considered to old for some of the younger DPC'ers
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02/14/2007 08:46:31 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by Puckzzz:
I think we should stop censoring nudity. nothing wrong with the human body. |
thank you ... that's where i've been going with this whole thread ...
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02/14/2007 08:47:40 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by super-dave:
(stuff removed)... my point is that why do we censor nudity, but not drugs or guns?
it's an inconsistent ruling ... (stuff removed)
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The inconsistancy is not in the "ruling" but in your logic. To consume beer, drugs, alcohol, etc. you must do more than look at a picture. A gun, in and of itself is not violence....as was argued by others in one of your threads on this same topic last week....nor will you be shot by looking at a gun nor arrested for owning/possessing a picture of one. Nudity, however, is "consumed" by the viewer immediately...and you can't un-consume it.
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02/14/2007 08:54:03 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by super-dave:
Originally posted by Puckzzz:
I think we should stop censoring nudity. nothing wrong with the human body. |
thank you ... that's where i've been going with this whole thread ... |
hmmm...then maybe you should've expressed youself a little different. 'cause the way i read what you were saying, was that you wanted to censor violence as well as nudity.
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02/14/2007 08:54:50 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
The inconsistancy is not in the "ruling" but in your logic. To consume beer, drugs, alcohol, etc. you must do more than look at a picture. A gun, in and of itself is not violence....as was argued by others in one of your threads on this same topic last week....nor will you be shot by looking at a gun nor arrested for owning/possessing a picture of one. Nudity, however, is "consumed" by the viewer immediately...and you can't un-consume it. |
this is a very good point, and i accept what you're saying ...
however, by censoring nudity you're positioning nudity to make it seem bad or evil.
i don't think alcohol, violence or guns should be censored. i also think nudity shouldn't be censored.
but look at the 3 examples given: guns, drugs, nudity ... you can't seriously say that, of the 3, nudity is the most dangerous or socially damaging.
so why is it the one that's censored?
puckzzz
i have a problem when it comes to making a point ... i like negative arguments. rather than say "let's not censor nudity" i'd rather say "let's censor everything" and wait for people to tell me why i'm wrong! :)
Message edited by author 2007-02-14 08:57:04.
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02/14/2007 09:04:40 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by super-dave:
(stuff removed)... my point is that why do we censor nudity, but not drugs or guns?
it's an inconsistent ruling ... (stuff removed)
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The inconsistancy is not in the "ruling" but in your logic. To consume beer, drugs, alcohol, etc. you must do more than look at a picture. A gun, in and of itself is not violence....as was argued by others in one of your threads on this same topic last week....nor will you be shot by looking at a gun nor arrested for owning/possessing a picture of one. Nudity, however, is "consumed" by the viewer immediately...and you can't un-consume it. |
I get your point. But why censor nudity??
In the off chance that your child might see a naked body? Or heaven forbid a hard nipple?? and then it will ask "Mummie, what is that?" and you go all embarrased and stutter something like "I'll explain that when you get a bit older" While you can also just explain that that is a nipple, point out the nipple by the child saying something like "see, you have one as well!"
Nudity is normal people!
by 'you' I don't mean you personally :-)
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02/14/2007 09:04:55 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by super-dave:
alcohol and cigarettes are drugs ... you can't legally drink until you're 18, so why shouldn't they be included.
i think drawing a line is easy ... for me it's all or nothing. |
well nope. Countries have very different approcahes.
Alcohol is forbidden to everyone in several islamic countries, to people under 21 in the US, but is free in many other countries (no not just Germany)
cigarettes, while controlled in most western countries is not yet considered officially an illegal drug anywhere to my knowledge (but I may be wrong here, which would anyway confirm my point).
some drugs by the way are legal in the Netherlands.
So no clear line if you're open to other countries approaches.
Now re. nudity, I do agree with you that it always struck me as weird that people are much more shocked by nudity than by violence, but it is the case that in most countries (western or not) there is some sort of restriction on minors viewing nudity.
DPC policy is actually quite in line with the most common categorization of content.
Now you have a valide point, but not sure DPC is place to have it. You whould start with the US congress and parental ocntrol software editors.
Message edited by author 2007-02-19 13:09:27. |
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02/14/2007 09:07:39 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
Nudity, however, is "consumed" by the viewer immediately...and you can't un-consume it. |
And it's so yummy... ;-) |
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02/14/2007 09:12:31 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by KaDi:
Nudity, however, is "consumed" by the viewer immediately...and you can't un-consume it. |
And it's so yummy... ;-) |
LOL
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02/14/2007 09:17:58 AM · #35 |
because dpc is based in the US, it has to comply with the laws for its jurisdiction.
we do not "censor" nude images, per se. we flag them so that they are visible only to users who wish to see them. i could sit here and explain why that is, but i'll leave it up to your imagination as you are sitting at work looking at DPC, or viewing it at home with your small children running around.
the "nipple" incident was simply a matter of us complying with the local laws that govern this site and its content. leaving it alone, no matter what the worldwide sympathies are, would have left the site open to legal action and the possibility of being shut down. no one wants that, so the decision was made to remove the image.
for questions regarding what is and is not acceptable i direct you to the terms of use linked from the bottom of every page:
Originally posted by Terms of Use:
4.2 You will not use the DPChallenge.com Service to post content or to design, manufacture, market or sell a Product that (i) infringes the rights of a third party, including, without limitation, copyrights, trademarks, patents, trade secrets, rights of privacy and publicity, (ii) is libelous, defamatory or slanderous, (iii) condones, promotes, contains or links to warez, cracks, hacks or similar utilities or programs, (iv) contains explicitly sexual content, (v) does or may denigrate or offend any ethnic, racial, gender, religious or other protected group, through use of language, images, stereotypical depiction or otherwise, (vi) is designed to or does harass, threaten, defame or abuse others, (vii) exploits images or the likeness of minors, (viii) encourages the use of drugs or the under-age use of alcohol or cigarettes or (ix) is generally offensive or in bad taste.
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there have been a number of images that have been removed for reasons other than nudity, specifically regarding the "use of drugs." and if you think that any image is offensive enough that it should be removed, you should notify the SC and let us review the situation.
i understand that there are a myriad of perspectives about what is acceptable and what is not in a global community. however, terrestrial forces often constrain what we are able to do and there's just no way around that. |
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02/14/2007 09:22:10 AM · #36 |
that's a good response, thanks muckpond.
i can see the 'hate' challenge stretching the terms of use! ;)
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02/14/2007 09:27:50 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by super-dave:
i can see the 'hate' challenge stretching the terms of use! ;) |
totally! now, if you'll excuse me, i have to go wrangle up an angry mob and a burning cross for my shot! :P |
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02/14/2007 09:55:48 AM · #38 |
i think hate can be conveyed not only tastefully, but also in a humorous way.
Originally posted by eyewave:
I don't think, it is about taste here, hate cannot be expressed tastefully IMO.
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02/14/2007 09:59:00 AM · #39 |
those damn terrestrial forces. when is the GOV gonna do something about those blasted things. i hate them ;}
well i kinda like gravity...
Originally posted by muckpond:
however, terrestrial forces often constrain what we are able to do and there's just no way around that. |
Message edited by author 2007-02-14 09:59:41.
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02/14/2007 10:14:37 AM · #40 |
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02/14/2007 10:23:28 AM · #41 |
dammit you stole my idea ;}
but you got the idea...
Originally posted by quite_observation:
I hate brussel sprouts. |
Message edited by author 2007-02-14 10:24:18.
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02/14/2007 10:33:24 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by super-dave:
[quote=KaDi] but look at the 3 examples given: guns, drugs, nudity ... you can't seriously say that, of the 3, nudity is the most dangerous or socially damaging.
so why is it the one that's censored? |
I saw a television debate a few years ago, where it was argued that, images of guns or violence may not hurt anyone, nor inspire anyone to violence, but nude images can very well "inspire" someone to rape. The argument was for stricter censorship of nudity.
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02/14/2007 11:23:59 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by soup:
dammit you stole my idea ;}
but you got the idea...
Originally posted by quite_observation:
I hate brussel sprouts. |
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Ditto ... brussel sprouts suck! |
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02/14/2007 11:30:15 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by pamelasue:
Originally posted by soup:
dammit you stole my idea ;}
but you got the idea...
Originally posted by quite_observation:
I hate brussel sprouts. |
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Ditto ... brussel sprouts suck! |
I see how it is.... HATERS :-P
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02/14/2007 11:31:39 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
The inconsistancy is not in the "ruling" but in your logic. To consume beer, drugs, alcohol, etc. you must do more than look at a picture. A gun, in and of itself is not violence....as was argued by others in one of your threads on this same topic last week....nor will you be shot by looking at a gun nor arrested for owning/possessing a picture of one. Nudity, however, is "consumed" by the viewer immediately...and you can't un-consume it. |
I think THIS logic is inconsistent! Choose one:
1) you consume violence immediately: a child who sees a gun may want to get one, to try one...
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2) you will not have sex only for seeing nudity :-)))
Both pictures causes the same effect: curiosity. I think they should be dealt with equally.
About America: I agree with Michael Moore's opinions.
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02/14/2007 11:34:52 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by quiet_observation:
I hate brussel sprouts. |
Brussel sprouts are good! Celery on the other hand - I hate celery (except with peanut butter). Now how to make a picture out of that .... |
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02/14/2007 11:38:30 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by pamelasue:
Originally posted by soup:
dammit you stole my idea ;}
but you got the idea...
Originally posted by quite_observation:
I hate brussel sprouts. |
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Ditto ... brussel sprouts suck! |
Brussels Sprouts are sick, sick, sick. Why are these things even allowed to exist? I also HATE them! When I was young, my Dad made me eat an entire one of these disgusting balls of vile putridness. I stuffed the entire thing in my mouth and started chewing and gagging. I ran outside and barfed. Maybe HATE is too gentle a word for how I feel about Brussels Sprouts.
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02/14/2007 11:38:53 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by jan_vdw:
I saw a television debate a few years ago, where it was argued that, images of guns or violence may not hurt anyone, nor inspire anyone to violence, but nude images can very well "inspire" someone to rape. The argument was for stricter censorship of nudity. |
It seems the guns industry's lobby is stronger than the porn industry's one :-p
Look at western catholic roots and you understand why sex is so evil and violence is so tolerated (to say the least)...
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02/14/2007 11:39:37 AM · #49 |
I hate obnoxious people who feel the need to talk on cell phones in restaurants.
I hate brussel sprouts, cauliflower (or however you spell it), and most other vegetables I can't spell.
I hate getting old - more specifically, I loathe hot flashes. Really loathe them.
I hate challenges that are hard! :-) |
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02/14/2007 11:39:59 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by super-dave:
who the hell said anything about america anyway???? |
Somebody from Germany.
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