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02/14/2007 03:17:16 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by undieyatch:
...a title is frosting ideally made while the cake is being baked, but it is never applied till the cake is cool.
The continued site default emphasis and endorsement to include titles with a submission is flawed. |
I like the frosting analogy, Andre. It really fits. I agree that the image is, after all, the primary consideration. Voters think so too:
The title, though, like the frosting is a part of the finished work. The cake may be eaten without, but a good frosting adds much.
With regard to titling and DPC, "Untitled" is as good a title as any; heck it's been used 360 times in challenge entries. Because the title is used in many places as a link to the image, we do require that some text be entered in the title block. We *don't* advocate trying various work-arounds to enter an effectively blank title. It causes site issues. |
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02/14/2007 03:21:45 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by undieyatch:
...a title is frosting ideally made while the cake is being baked, but it is never applied till the cake is cool.
The continued site default emphasis and endorsement to include titles with a submission is flawed. |
I like the frosting analogy, Andre. It really fits. I agree that the image is, after all, the primary consideration. Voters think so too:
The title, though, like the frosting is a part of the finished work. The cake may be eaten without, but a good frosting adds much.
With regard to titling and DPC, "Untitled" is as good a title as any; heck it's been used 360 times in challenge entries. Because the title is used in many places as a link to the image, we do require that some text be entered in the title block. We *don't* advocate trying various work-arounds to enter an effectively blank title. It causes site issues. |
But a space is still possible, that way you can enter a blank title. maybe get that out of the system too? |
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02/14/2007 03:31:57 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
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I never fault an image because the title attempts to shoehorn it into the challenge or is just plain lousy. A good image deserves a good score no matter how poorly a photographer choses to title it. It is much the same as I feel about borders. |
What if the image is absolutely fantastic but doesn't meet the challenge at all? What if they have to use a title to try and make it fit. Do you still give them a great score because the image is great. If that's the case, lets just make everything a free study. |
For the record, that is not my quote. Your editing makes it appear to be.
Back to your regularly scheduled thread.
Message edited by author 2007-02-14 15:32:05.
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02/14/2007 03:40:28 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by biteme:
But a space is still possible, that way you can enter a blank title. maybe get that out of the system too? |
That's one of the scenarios for entering and effectively blank title. There are others. They all create site problems. Please don't try to use them. |
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02/14/2007 03:56:19 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Reminder to all participants to assume good faith in form posts. Personal attacks are not permitted, nor is baiting. THadi's example of the wolf image was in-bounds and on-topic, even if you don't agree with his conclusion... as I personally don't. |
Kirbic I recognize that it's your job to caution posters but I'm going to applaud Sunshine for standing up.
Baiting comes in many forms and although I understand the OP's original suggestion and think it merits debate, I'm troubled by his constant need to demonstrate his point by posting images he has an issue with. Seems a little disrespectful of the membership and to me constitutes a form of baiting as well... Went thru this a week ago with one of my images by the very same OP and later continued in the form of a PM after the fact.
GOOD FOR YOU SUNSHINE! |
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02/14/2007 04:00:57 PM · #56 |
| instead of no title.. require that the challenge title be used as the title. That would be easy for a single SC member to crank through, and yank all that didn't use that title. (assuming you made it a DQ'able offence) |
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02/14/2007 04:15:08 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by eckoe:
instead of no title.. require that the challenge title be used as the title. That would be easy for a single SC member to crank through, and yank all that didn't use that title. (assuming you made it a DQ'able offence) |
Example!!!!! If you don't like it...don't enter it! |
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02/14/2007 04:23:39 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Qart:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Reminder to all participants to assume good faith in form posts. Personal attacks are not permitted, nor is baiting. THadi's example of the wolf image was in-bounds and on-topic, even if you don't agree with his conclusion... as I personally don't. |
Kirbic I recognize that it's your job to caution posters but I'm going to applaud Sunshine for standing up.
Baiting comes in many forms and although I understand the OP's original suggestion and think it merits debate, I'm troubled by his constant need to demonstrate his point by posting images he has an issue with. Seems a little disrespectful of the membership and to me constitutes a form of baiting as well... Went thru this a week ago with one of my images by the very same OP and later continued in the form of a PM after the fact.
GOOD FOR YOU SUNSHINE! |
TY Qart :) |
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02/14/2007 04:25:22 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by Qart:
Kirbic I recognize that it's your job to caution posters but I'm going to applaud Sunshine for standing up.
Baiting comes in many forms and although I understand the OP's original suggestion and think it merits debate, I'm troubled by his constant need to demonstrate his point by posting images he has an issue with. Seems a little disrespectful of the membership and to me constitutes a form of baiting as well... Went thru this a week ago with one of my images by the very same OP and later continued in the form of a PM after the fact.
GOOD FOR YOU SUNSHINE! |
Which is why I removed the personal attack, but left the rest of the post. It was in-bounds for the OP to open discussion on an image. He was not casting any aspersions on the image, merely pointing out that without the title there was no apparent connection to the challenge. The retort, using one of the OP's images, was therefore also in-bounds. The phraseology could have been less inflammatory, though, and the personal attack was completely unnecessary; baiting has a *lot* more to do with *how* something is phrased than what is said, in most cases. |
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02/14/2007 04:41:03 PM · #60 |
'He was not casting any aspersions on the image, merely pointing out that without the title there was no apparent connection to the challenge.'
That's a matter of opinion I guess.
A single case could be considered constructive use of an image to illustrate a point but this is becoming an unpleasant pattern and for no other reason other than to 'cast aspersions' on the image in question. Of course IMO. |
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02/14/2007 05:03:14 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Qart:
'He was not casting any aspersions on the image, merely pointing out that without the title there was no apparent connection to the challenge.'
That's a matter of opinion I guess.
A single case could be considered constructive use of an image to illustrate a point but this is becoming an unpleasant pattern and for no other reason other than to 'cast aspersions' on the image in question. Of course IMO. |
Interesting how we anonymously cast judgment on images through voting but will not do so in the open. The "trolls" are offered valid reason and endless defense for voting low and giving no reason. When discussed out in the open, regardless of the feelings stirred, it is shunned as inappropriate. Come on people, what is wrong with tearing apart an image and the motivation behind it? I think it refreshing, insightful, provocative, bold and educational. As a matter of fact, please tear apart my image below, which I think, is alot more "bad" than alot of the top 20. Please feel free to blast the shot, question my sanity and if turns your crank, my morality??
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02/14/2007 05:22:28 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by biteme:
But a space is still possible, that way you can enter a blank title. maybe get that out of the system too? |
That's one of the scenarios for entering and effectively blank title. There are others. They all create site problems. Please don't try to use them. |
Too late. I already have an entry with a blank as a title. Maybe change it to a . (dot) or some inoccuous character if it fixes the aforementioned site issues. |
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02/14/2007 06:20:47 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Too late. I already have an entry with a blank as a title. Maybe change it to a . (dot) or some innocuous character if it fixes the aforementioned site issues. |
I see that you do. I've spoken with L, and tested, and confirmed that it's no longer possible :-)
Your shot shouldn't cause additional difficulty now that voting is over for that challenge. There may be some pages where that image would normally be linked by title that will not be clickable. In most of those instances (profile for example) that's rendered moot by the fact that the image thumbnail is clickable. |
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