Nikon D80 problem? - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

02/12/2007 08:04:32 PM · #1

I had a family photoshoot yesterday and ran into a bit of a problem. On some pictures my new D80 started to blacken one side of the picture. It would have been on the bottom in the landscape position. Fortunately I was able to crop out most of the problem, but I know there will be a time when that won't be possible. Anyone know what I am taking about?

DjFenzl

02/12/2007 08:09:57 PM · #2

can we see an example?

FireBird

02/12/2007 08:11:05 PM · #3

Originally posted by doug61853:

Post an image of the full frame of one of these and link to it here so we can see it. Were you using flash?

Edit: about 42 seconds slow........ LOL

Message edited by author 2007-02-12 20:11:35.

TJinGuy

Nikon Coolpix 2100

02/12/2007 08:12:25 PM · #4

It sounds like a lens problem to me. Does it happen with all your lenses?

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

02/12/2007 08:14:22 PM · #5

Were you using flash? Could be a flash synch problem. Do post an example, with as much detail on the shooting parameters as possible

pawdrix

Nikon D700

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.4D IF

02/12/2007 08:20:46 PM · #6

Originally posted by kirbic:

Were you using flash? Could be a flash synch problem. Do post an example, with as much detail on the shooting parameters as possible

That's most likely the problem. You may not be able to shoot faster than 1/250 of a sec when you use a flash. I'm not certain about the D80's Flash Sync specs but look at your exif data, check your shutter speed(s) and you might have your answer.

Good Luck!

ElGordo

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Sigma 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 DC OS for Canon

02/12/2007 08:32:29 PM · #7

If you were using the built in flash, the lens may have been shading the right side of the image, assuming the camera is in portrait position with the shutter button at the top.

02/12/2007 10:50:52 PM · #8

I was shooting with 1/250 speed at f16 and two flashheads with softboxes. When I stopped using the flashheads and moved to a different location, the pictures were fine. I will try to post a pic example on here, but these things only confuse me (only so much I can keep in my head I guess). With my D50 I never had this problem. so I was really concerned.

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xXxscarletxXx

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

02/12/2007 10:53:25 PM · #9

I had the same problem I was using the flash and had the sun cover thing over it I then figure out the black marks were from the sun cover duh lol

02/12/2007 11:01:50 PM · #10

//dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=467953

I just uploaded the pic to my portfolio page here (the one of the girl in pink beside the fireplace). The dark boarder stays on the same side weather I have it in landscape or portrait position, which makes me think it is not a sun problem. Like I mentioned B4, I shot with 1/250 on my D50 with studio flashes and it wasn't a problem. If the D80 is supposed to be a superior camera, then why is it having problems? Thanks for your help.
--doug

Message edited by author 2007-02-12 23:04:33.

xXxscarletxXx

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

02/12/2007 11:06:21 PM · #11

Fixed the link

Canon EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

02/12/2007 11:11:14 PM · #12

thanks......I'll have to figure out how to do that someday :)

TJinGuy

Nikon Coolpix 2100

02/13/2007 12:14:05 AM · #13

That definitely looks to be an obstruction of sorts. Maybe your mirror is not functioning properly.

Is the black line always the same or does it change slightly between shots? Is it there if you take a photo with the camera upside down?

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

02/13/2007 06:17:19 AM · #14

What happens with a slower shutterspeed?
Perhaps the shutter closes to early?

Sigma 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 DC OS for Canon

02/13/2007 11:14:37 AM · #15

I will have to try some experiments to see. I know it stays on that same plane. If I tip the camera to take in portrait mode, then it is on the right side. I will try at a slower speed, but I don't understand why the camera shouldn't be able to handle 1/250 with studio lights.

ElGordo

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

02/13/2007 12:02:28 PM · #16

The Nikon shutter is a vertical travel leaf shutter that opens from bottom to top in the camera, top to bottom of the photo image. If the shutter is not completely opening then this type of shadow would be produced.

pawdrix

Nikon D700

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.4D IF

02/13/2007 12:06:29 PM · #17

Read this about your Flash Sync.

"Top shutter speed of 1/4,000 second and flash sync speeds up to 1/200 second"

It looks like you can only go to 1/200 of a sec. So 1/250 was your problem.

Message edited by author 2007-02-13 12:07:24.

hyperfocal

Nikon D7000

Nikon MF 105mm f/2.5 AIS

02/13/2007 12:12:31 PM · #18

Originally posted by doug61853:

//dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=467953

Like I mentioned B4, I shot with 1/250 on my D50 with studio flashes and it wasn't a problem. If the D80 is supposed to be a superior camera, then why is it having problems? Thanks for your help.
--doug

It definately looks like a shutter blade is in frame. If the image was made at 1/250 with flash that is about how much of the shutter would be in the image with the D80's sync speed of 1/200. Your D50 will actually sync with your studio flashes up to its top speed of 1/4000 because it has an electronic shutter that turns the CCD on for the specified time. The D80 has a more traditional type focal plane shutter only, and 1/200 is the top speed. Set the shutter speed to 1/200 and you will be fine and the exposure will not be altered in your indoor setting.

edit for grammer

Message edited by author 2007-02-13 12:14:15.

02/13/2007 12:16:03 PM · #19

thanks! I will give it a try tomorrow and let you know how it turns out.

obsidian

Tamron AF 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di II for Nikon

02/13/2007 12:41:49 PM · #20

Like others have said, it looks like the flash sync speed, which is slow for the D80. If you use the Nikon speedlights (SB600 and SB800) you can get a faster flash sync by setting this up in the camera settings (can't remember where but happy to check it out).

I believe the D50 had a faster flash sync speed (? 1/250 or 1/500) so this is probably why you did not see this in the past.

Superior is an interesting term, isn't it?

edit: Doh! Hyperfocal said this so much better :-)

Message edited by author 2007-02-13 12:42:38.

FireBird

02/13/2007 03:54:38 PM · #21

Originally posted by obsidian:

I have the SB600 and was able to set the shutter for 1/8000 with flash by using "Auto FP". This was at ISO800 with a F value of 8. Kinda dim. With F set to 1.8 on the 50mm Nikkor I could use a shutter speed of 1/8000 and get fairly normal images. I don't know whether the D80 will do this but I suspect that it will. The cameras are almost alike. The camera was in manual mode during my experiments. I was also within several feet of my subject. I don't think the SB600 has enough GN to do this much further out, or with high values of F-stop and extremely short shutter durations. But one should be able to get to 1/500 with no problems. I'm assuming the D200 is using an electronic shutter when it does this. There are image quality issues with electronic shutters that may arise. I encourage anyone wishing to learn about nikon products to check this website. Nikonians Many forums and lots of knowledge there.

Edit: The OP was shooting with off camera flash heads so my info won't help as the camera won't do over 1/200 without a TTL setup. I could not set a shutter speed over 1/250 on my D200 with out the flash mounted or a TTL cable to the flash. Using the on camera flash was limited to 1/250 also. So I suspect 1/200 will be the highest on the D80 in like circumstances.

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