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01/31/2007 06:37:30 PM · #1 |
From DPC Description:
Personification occurs when inanimate objects are endowed with human qualities or represented as possessing human form or personality.
From Wikipedia:
Personification, is a figure of speech that gives non-humans and objects human traits and qualities (EX: the bear was talking to the little girl) These attributes may include sensations, emotions, desires, physical gestures, expressions, and powers of speech, among others.
The question is: - If I use animals, my entry will be DNMC?
(Iâm really afraid because of the âtoo literally DPCersâ and some times the description of the challenges says too much, killing some creativity)
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01/31/2007 06:42:23 PM · #2 |
I say...Play it safe so you don't get hit with DNMC votes.
My initial idea was a little differnt. It was to make an object have animal qualities and I decided to go with something with human qualities instead because of strict dnmc voters. Although I still don't have a good idea that does totally meet challenge. I'm working on it...lol
If you're not sure then there will be someone who votes you down for it..IMO |
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01/31/2007 06:45:48 PM · #3 |
i'd say you're playing with fire if you use animals.
besides, this challenge is way fun without 'em anyway. :) |
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01/31/2007 06:48:59 PM · #4 |
hmmm also from From Wikipedia:
"Anthropomorphism, also called personification, is the attribution of human characteristics and qualities to nonhuman beings, inanimate objects, or natural or supernatural phenomena. ...[snip]... Animals, forces of nature, and unseen or unknown sources of chance are frequent subjects of anthropomorphosis."
but mine will be inanimate ....
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01/31/2007 07:03:56 PM · #5 |
| I've actually had a shot in mind ever since shortly after the first Personification challenge. I *will* submit this one, though I doubt it will be top-ten material. |
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01/31/2007 07:12:51 PM · #6 |
Yes....
No.....
after reading Ralph's snip the No might be Maybe.
Message edited by author 2007-01-31 19:15:36. |
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01/31/2007 08:07:22 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by De Sousa:
From DPC Description:
Personification occurs when inanimate objects are endowed with human qualities or represented as possessing human form or personality.
From Wikipedia:
Personification, is a figure of speech that gives non-humans and objects human traits and qualities (EX: the bear was talking to the little girl) These attributes may include sensations, emotions, desires, physical gestures, expressions, and powers of speech, among others.
The question is: - If I use animals, my entry will be DNMC?
(Iâm really afraid because of the âtoo literally DPCersâ and some times the description of the challenges says too much, killing some creativity) |
Actually animals are a perfect subject for personification. But not for still image personification. Animals are not people in the Literary sense. They teach this in school unfortunately. But Animals can show emotions and actions and behaviors that on film or in person display personification.
Still images are much more difficult but theres alot that can still be accomplished. Just remember you need to capture a behavior right at its peak and defined moment. Or just work with a particular position that just says.... person, human habit, human action, human nature.
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01/31/2007 08:11:43 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
But Animals can show emotions and actions and behaviors that on film or in person display personification. |
i guess i see animals as having their own distinct personalities. when my dog cocks his head to the side when i say his name, i don't consider that action a uniquely "human" characteristic. it's something that a dog does.
so to take a photo like this:
and ascribe human tendencies to it seems weird to me. what's to say that it's not a catlike tendency in the first place?
in any case, these are the kinds of arguments that are going to take place if you use animals in your shot, methinks. it's hard to argue that a dinner plate or a cardboard box was displaying emotion on its own. :) |
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01/31/2007 08:13:03 PM · #9 |
For those that have not checked it out yet. . . . Here's the link to the first one. Not sure if I'll be able to pull of my idea, but we'll see! :)
Good luck!
Personification |
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01/31/2007 10:07:18 PM · #10 |
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01/31/2007 10:12:29 PM · #11 |
If you want to see dogs personified, just google William Wegman.
You can easily do an animal, just don't rely on a title to get your message across. |
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01/31/2007 11:29:38 PM · #12 |
| My new favorite quote, "Don't anthropomorphize computers: they hate that." |
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02/01/2007 02:48:02 PM · #13 |
You can certainly personify an animal, but it's gonna be a real stretch to have an animal be considered "inanimate".
Personally, the last time I voted this challenge I did 100% comments, but gave out 53 (of 200) scores of 3 or less. That's pretty unusual, but I thought there was a ton of shots which weren't personification at all.
To my understanding:
Just finding a face in an object is not personification.
Figurines of people are not personification.
Pets are not inanimate.
Stuffed animals are a cheap way out.
I am looking for an everyday object to be posed or placed in such a way as to imply an emotion or characteristic.
This:
was my only 10 of the last challenge and I think it was perfect.
The objects can take on a human look (the winner as an example), but that should not be "the whole story" and if you manage to do it with an object that doesn't look human at all, well, you get bonus points.
People are welcome to disagree (Lord knows we all disagreed a bunch last time), but you aren't getting my vote. |
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02/01/2007 02:49:21 PM · #14 |
DrACHOO!!!!!!!!!!
Anyways it doesnt have to be inanimate... looks closer Inaminate or NONHUMAN!
FROM DETAILS "Take a photo of something non-human-looking that still shows human characteristics or evokes a human feeling."
Message edited by author 2007-02-01 14:50:19. |
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02/01/2007 02:52:15 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
FROM DETAILS "Take a photo of something non-human-looking that still shows human characteristics or evokes a human feeling." |
That's in the second sentence so it doesn't count. ;oP
j/k |
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02/01/2007 02:52:57 PM · #16 |
You have a great eye De Sousa...If you decide to go with an animal, and its works, it could be really interesting.
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02/01/2007 02:54:20 PM · #17 |
Aha! A loophole. I just love these descriptions. Well...to me...anything with two eyes, a nose, and a mouth, is going to be human looking enough that it isn't going to get a high vote in my book.
If you pull off a nice shot with a starfish, well, then I may let you by on the "inanimate" loophole you just mentioned.
Message edited by author 2007-02-01 14:54:44. |
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02/01/2007 02:57:04 PM · #18 |
| You are taking your chances though. In the last Personification challenge the highest stuffed animal finish was 49th. The highest animal came in 61st. |
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02/01/2007 02:57:17 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Aha! A loophole. I just love these descriptions. Well...to me...anything with two eyes, a nose, and a mouth, is going to be human looking enough that it isn't going to get a high vote in my book.
If you pull off a nice shot with a starfish, well, then I may let you by on the "inanimate" loophole you just mentioned. |
Well heres what they teach in Public school "Personification is the display of human behaviour, emotion or characteristics by inaminate or non human objects"
So..... |
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02/01/2007 03:24:58 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
Well heres what they teach in Public school "Personification is the display of human behaviour, emotion or characteristics by inaminate or non human objects"
So..... |
Yes, but we are in the bizarro world of DPC. What you learned in school matters little... |
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02/01/2007 03:52:10 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
To my understanding:
Just finding a face in an object is not personification.
Figurines of people are not personification.
Pets are not inanimate.
Stuffed animals are a cheap way out.
I am looking for an everyday object to be posed or placed in such a way as to imply an emotion or characteristic.
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So basically you are saying that the object as to invoke an emotion, it can't be physically altered to contain human form.
Example: If I found a giant catcus on the side of the road, put a giant cowboy at on it, hung a sign off one of the big branch thing that said "Vegas or Bust", that would not qualify as personification? Techincally, an the challenge description does not debate this, you can just have an object which looks human (snowman, Mr. Potatohead).
Do you not think that William Wegman personifies dogs (weimaraners?). I still fail to see why that fits in the challenge.
I think the cheap way out on this one is the title. I don't want to look at inanimate objects and not be hit bluntly what the idea is. If I have to rely on the title it is a low score. It's akin more or less as those "inspirational" posters.
I know what you are saying, Jason. I just don't want to see the field full of inanimate objects. That gets boring. :) |
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02/01/2007 03:58:03 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
Well heres what they teach in Public school "Personification is the display of human behaviour, emotion or characteristics by inaminate or non human objects"
So..... |
Yes, but we are in the bizarro world of DPC. What you learned in school matters little... |
Bizarro world is right. I thought this would have done better, on the last one, but the voters didn't get it. Chess pieces defending and attacking. That's human behavior
Message edited by author 2007-02-01 15:58:19. |
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02/02/2007 02:01:48 AM · #23 |
Would it be wise to give away in the title what objects you used? In my picture the objects used are not very indentifyable, maybe that makes the photo stronger if people only see the human thing in it and not what it actually is, and if you give it away in the photo they might go "Ahhh, yes now I see it, clever shot" (or they might not ;-) )
I've shown it to several friends (all non DPC-ers) they like the shot, but only one friend saw after a few looks what objects I used. because of that she loved the picture even more.
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02/02/2007 09:29:01 AM · #24 |
Puckzzz
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
just don't rely on a title to get your message across. |
He was referring to an animal shot but I think the same applies to all shots when it is referring to dpc voters.
Good luck with whichever you choose. :)
Message edited by author 2007-02-03 08:39:39. |
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02/02/2007 09:38:18 AM · #25 |
I think you're right. we'll keep the mystery up till after voting :-)
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