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 01/24/2007 03:57:09 PM · #26
I find it rather sad that a brand new member of the site should have his first entry discussed like this. Having looked at his website, I suspect he will be able to ignore the bitchiness here, and get on with the business of taking photographs, but it is hardly a cordial welcome.
 01/24/2007 04:12:30 PM · #27
Originally posted by kirbic:
As I posted in that thread, I think it's absolutely hilarious that we have two threads on the fron page, this one debating why a shot scored high when some see it as DNMC, and the other one lamenting Why do people vote high onDNMC shots?


Err ... not quite, Kirbic. I wasn't lamenting, I was asking people to share their thoughts. And it was in general, not on a specific shot.
 01/24/2007 04:17:56 PM · #28
I will say that this member is a good friend of mine. I have talked about this site to him for over a year and he finally joined up and has started entering the challenges. He is a very talented photographer and I know he can bring a lot to the site.

Yes...his first entry raised a few eyebrows but you have to admit that there is definitely quality in his work. As I once said before...even if an image doesn't win a ribbon...but does cause concern for conversation...then that means the image is a success. So no biggie...but instead...welcome Marcus.
 01/24/2007 04:18:41 PM · #29
Originally posted by SaraR:
I find it rather sad that a brand new member of the site should have his first entry discussed like this. Having looked at his website, I suspect he will be able to ignore the bitchiness here, and get on with the business of taking photographs, but it is hardly a cordial welcome.


While the initial post probably could have been stated a little differently, I don't really see any "bitchiness" here. We're not allowed to discuss photos before or during the challenges and if they can't be discussed afterwards, well, what's the point? People are discussing how they viewed the photo and what they felt or didn't feel was panning. I'm never in favor of calling out specific people/photos for negative purposes but I don't see any issue with discussion about images.
 01/24/2007 04:21:03 PM · #30
Originally posted by Judi:
As I once said before...even if an image doesn't win a ribbon...but does cause concern for conversation...then that means the image is a success.


I think I know a few imaegs like that ;-)
 01/24/2007 04:23:30 PM · #31
When I run for office one day, I want Leroy to be my speech writer.
 01/24/2007 04:26:01 PM · #32
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I think I know a few imaegs like that ;-)


Octopus, anyone?
 01/24/2007 04:29:26 PM · #33
Originally posted by howzit:
When I run for office one day, I want Leroy to be my speech writer.


Will do :-)
 01/24/2007 04:34:11 PM · #34
you can never argue with voting results on a majority rule basis - it defeats the entire purpose of majority rule voting
 01/24/2007 04:40:48 PM · #35
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by SaraR:
I find it rather sad that a brand new member of the site should have his first entry discussed like this. Having looked at his website, I suspect he will be able to ignore the bitchiness here, and get on with the business of taking photographs, but it is hardly a cordial welcome.


While the initial post probably could have been stated a little differently, I don't really see any "bitchiness" here. We're not allowed to discuss photos before or during the challenges and if they can't be discussed afterwards, well, what's the point? People are discussing how they viewed the photo and what they felt or didn't feel was panning. I'm never in favor of calling out specific people/photos for negative purposes but I don't see any issue with discussion about images.


The question brought up originally was: "Will all photographers be given the same latitude in future for a good photo, even though it may not meet the challenge?"

You're right. Not really "bitchy". Still, what's the point of the question?
 01/24/2007 04:40:51 PM · #36
Welcome Marcus! Your shot was technically great, but the fickle finger of fate has landed. It is not personal, but anyone who doesn't quite meet challenge description will be dissected. It is a good example to discuss this point and I admit I marked 6 because I didn't feel it fitted the motion panning, however, it is a good photo and I just wish I could have one like it.

Call it a baptism of fire! But, I am sure you can rise from the ashes of this thread and wow us with future challenge submissions.
 01/24/2007 04:49:55 PM · #37
I myself did see a general trend in many of the shots. A lot of limited DOF but didn't really capture the motion blur typical of panning. So while my shot which placed abysmally (100+) was more in line with the challenge itself than some, it wasn't a good photo. On the one hand do we reward those who don't seek to submit something that meets the challenge criteria, or do we vote higher on poorer images simply because they meet the challenge. I admit that I slammed a lot of perfectly good images because they didn't meet the challenge (as I interpreted it). But I also would agree that they were also better than mine.

Of course the question I would submit is this. Had I decided to submit a photo that didn't use panning and simply captured a moving object and received a higher score, would that have been the "correct" thing? Though I was slaughtered in this challenge I learned a lot in this process of creating my submission. I learned that true motion panning is HARD. You need to practice it. Had I taken the other route. I wouldn't have learned anything about how to do this technique. Aside from virtual ribbons, what do we gain by participating besides the knowledge that each challenge teaches us?

Sorry for the spiel...
 01/24/2007 04:54:51 PM · #38
Originally posted by Citadel:
I myself did see a general trend in many of the shots. A lot of limited DOF but didn't really capture the motion blur typical of panning. So while my shot which placed abysmally (100+) was more in line with the challenge itself than some, it wasn't a good photo. On the one hand do we reward those who don't seek to submit something that meets the challenge criteria, or do we vote higher on poorer images simply because they meet the challenge. I admit that I slammed a lot of perfectly good images because they didn't meet the challenge (as I interpreted it). But I also would agree that they were also better than mine.

Of course the question I would submit is this. Had I decided to submit a photo that didn't use panning and simply captured a moving object and received a higher score, would that have been the "correct" thing? Though I was slaughtered in this challenge I learned a lot in this process of creating my submission. I learned that true motion panning is HARD. You need to practice it. Had I taken the other route. I wouldn't have learned anything about how to do this technique. Aside from virtual ribbons, what do we gain by participating besides the knowledge that each challenge teaches us?

Sorry for the spiel...


You got that dead right, Citadel. Motion panning is an art. I used it years ago with my Canon EOS 650. The guys I tried to copy were horse racing photogs and they really knew their stuff. I never got anywhere near them.
 01/31/2007 07:39:47 AM · #39
Hi All, Well I see my first challenge has caused quite a stir. First let me introduce my self, I'm Marcus Armani, I am as I think you could have guessed a Bird In Flight Photographer, I have been now for 7 years, I Live and Shoot In Northern California...
With that said, I actually feel a bit bad that my post caused so much controversy, being my first and possibly reading the description loosely, "In photography, panning is a technique used to suggest fast motion and bring out foreground from background. Use this panning technique to create your submission" I really wanted to get going and post a photo, this series of hawk shots in which I choose my particular post were the only ones I captured after reading the description and guidelines.

Now I did read the above description and thought that the bird itself showed motion with talons tucked back and the slight wing blur etc. I did not realize that the sense of motion had to be from the background, only that the panning should separate the subject from the background.
I never look for a sense of motion from background blur as it can be achieved with a snail If you pan correctly and use the right shutter speed and app.

P.S. My second challenge where I came in 7th I do see many zoo photos? 2 in the top 10 were taken of animals in zoo or zoo like environments but not there natural habitat, The winning shot was taken at a fox farm? And from what I read, wildlife 1 had 4 in the top 10 including the blue and red ribbon winners.

I want to say thank you to all whom wished me a nice welcome, Hope not to make a habit of this, I am learning as I go along..
Take care to all..
 01/31/2007 07:44:21 AM · #40
Welcome Marcus...I know you will teach others a lot here...and in return...they will teach you. Keep your chin up!
 01/31/2007 08:17:08 AM · #41
Marcus, welcome! I took a look at your website. Fabulous stuff. I agree with Judi, we can all learn a lot from you!
 01/31/2007 12:44:33 PM · #42
Originally posted by MarcusArmani:

The winning shot was taken at a fox farm?


Fox at a farm? Not a fox farm...
 01/31/2007 01:34:40 PM · #43
Originally posted by MarcusArmani:
... Now I did read the above description and thought that the bird itself showed motion with talons tucked back and the slight wing blur etc. I did not realize that the sense of motion had to be from the background, only that the panning should separate the subject from the background.
I never look for a sense of motion from background blur as it can be achieved with a snail If you pan correctly and use the right shutter speed and app. ...

Those requiring the background to show the motion are, unfortunately, adding their own restrictions to the challenge. Your image meets the challenge quite well, as the majority of the voters agree.

Welcome to DPC, where anything can (and probably will) be contrived into a major, site shaking, controversy. :P

David
 01/31/2007 01:43:49 PM · #44
Originally posted by MarcusArmani:
uld have guessed a Bird In Flight Photographer, I have been now for 7 years, I Live and Shoot In Northern California...

Welcome aboard Marcus.
After visiting your website, you certainly have found your passion and do it very well.
Photographing birds is an endless fascination isn't it?

01/31/2007 03:21:44 PM · #45
Originally posted by Judi:
Welcome Marcus...I know you will teach others a lot here...and in return...they will teach you. Keep your chin up!


Thanks You Judi, I am always willing to teach what I know, I think I can also learn very much here also...
 01/31/2007 03:24:49 PM · #46
Originally posted by MarcusArmani:
Originally posted by Judi:
Welcome Marcus...I know you will teach others a lot here...and in return...they will teach you. Keep your chin up!


Thanks You Judi, I am always willing to teach what I know, I think I can also learn very much here also...


Yes you can....but remember...with every sites there are rules and the obvious idiosyncrasies. Watch out for cheese, nudie police and flower power...hehehehe!! Oh...and I hear red heads are bad, bad, bad!!
 01/31/2007 03:27:13 PM · #47
Originally posted by Judi:
Oh...and I hear red heads are bad, bad, bad!!


01/31/2007 03:30:37 PM · #48
Originally posted by BradP:
Originally posted by Judi:
Oh...and I hear red heads are bad, bad, bad!!



Yada yada...tell me that they aren't then!! And I can guarantee that there will be about 10 people who will jump down your throat...roflmfao!
 01/31/2007 03:32:36 PM · #49
I was married to one before.
A REAL one.

01/31/2007 03:39:05 PM · #50
Originally posted by BradP:
I was married to one before.
A REAL one.


Ok....that is another thing Marcus...never ever stray off topic. You will get into big twubble. You will never see me go off topic...! Hehehehehe!! But seriously...you know how I feel about your work...and I know you will do well here...just don't take too much seriously and you will be fine.
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