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11/12/2003 08:33:49 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Trinch:
the hardest thing I find is subjects that don't reflect the title. I assume that the relation exists with the subject of the book more than the title and I find myself having to look up the book and reading the synopsis to make the connection |
This wasn't really the intent of the challenge. (I tried to lobby for having the challenge details updated to clarify the intent but to no avail.)
The intent was to take a picture of basically anything -- but with the caveat that you had to be able to give your photo a suitable title that was also the same title as an existing book. That's it. It wasn't a challenge to reproduce a scene from the book. If you don't see how the title applies by just looking at the photo, then I probably wouldn't consider it a "suitable title" (which is what the challenge, even as originally worded), asks for.
Originally posted by robro:
I have voted higher if the author is included! |
I don't understand this reasoning at all. It wasn't a challenge requirement, and if somebody is making up a title, couldn't they just as easily make up an author/ISBN number, or even use a real author and ISBN number but a fake book title? |
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11/12/2003 11:51:54 AM · #27 |
| I was really hoping that the titles wouldn't be needed. In other words, I was hoping to get the title of the book by just looking at the photo. So far, only 2 or 3 have done this, so I'm going to have to rethink my scoring. The more obvious the book/title, the better score it's going to get from me. (i.e. a picture of your cat with the title "How to Care for Cats" is not going to score well. Just not creative.) |
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11/12/2003 11:57:22 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Ten13:
I was really hoping that the titles wouldn't be needed. In other words, I was hoping to get the title of the book by just looking at the photo. So far, only 2 or 3 have done this, so I'm going to have to rethink my scoring. The more obvious the book/title, the better score it's going to get from me. (i.e. a picture of your cat with the title "How to Care for Cats" is not going to score well. Just not creative.) |
Sounds ridiculous,there are gazillion of book tittles out there,you know them all?
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11/12/2003 12:40:17 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Sounds ridiculous,there are gazillion of book tittles out there,you know them all? |
Of course not, pitsaman. I was just hoping that the photographic representations would be clear enough to identify the book title in the majority of the photos. Someone did a good job of this by entering a photo of a red fern among green ferns. The title was the first thing I thought of when viewing the image. Clear representations of the title are going to get a better score from me than the photos where I can't figure out what's going on in the photo and/or the title of the photo doesn't help much. |
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11/12/2003 12:46:14 PM · #30 |
I was impressed by just how many I could tell just by the title...
of course I meant to say by the image
Message edited by author 2003-11-13 21:49:46.
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11/13/2003 07:33:34 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Robro:
I have voted higher if the author is included! |
Then you presumably assume that that makes it valid? My entry was from a book by Robinson Jeffers. Have you ever heard of him? If there was no such book would you have known? sorry to sound cynical here, but unless it's an obvious book you probably have no idea whether it's a valid entry or not. And don't assume that every book ever written can be found on Amazon.
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11/13/2003 07:40:08 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Ten13:
Clear representations of the title are going to get a better score from me than the photos where I can't figure out what's going on in the photo and/or the title of the photo doesn't help much. |
It's always interesting to note how voting criteria are decided. In the strictest sense, there doesn't need to be any relationship between the photo and book apart from the title. In deciding how to vote, you are inferring that there should be a direct relationship. If you 'can't figure out what's going on' that doesn't necessarily make it a bad photo - it just means that you can't figure out what's going on. But in the end it has to be remembered that voting is highly subjective, and this challenge is a classic example of that.
I need to keep reminding myself that the challenge winners aren't necessarily the best photos, but the ones that people find easiest to identify with.
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11/13/2003 09:43:09 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Robro:
I have voted higher if the author is included! |
Dang, I don't know who the original author of mine would be and quite frankly don't care! ;)
As for the people who want the picture to reflect the title, mine does that without a doubt but there are three "Grapes of Wrath" shots in this challenge and only one, to me depicted the book itself and scored higher than the other two which are very cute but the one really caught the book to me.
Deannda |
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11/13/2003 09:45:56 PM · #34 |
I was going for and am looking for the simplest interpretation of the challenge: A photo that portrays its title unambiguously, using a title that is a book title as well.
I do find a little issue with that thought process though..
If someone chose the Wizard of Oz, I would consider both a photo of a wizard with some sort of indication it was from oz, as well as a photo of a yellow brick road or something - because knowing that book as I do - both would make me *think* of the title..
but if it was a book I hadn't read, I might not make a connection and have a hard time understanding why that particular image was used.
For example, if the Sound of Music was done (not sure if it was a book) but I'd never read the book (nor seen the movie) and someone did a picture of the mountains of Austria - I would be hard pressed to see how that image matched the given title.
Obviously its unfair for photos with titles to books I know but are geared more to the content of the book rather than the title to get a better score.. but there it is all the same.
I do wonder if I'm being marked down because people may never have heard of my book.. I even tried to make the atmosphere of the photo fit the title, not just take a picture of something that matched the title.
Failed again though.. getting rather frustrated, I think I need to stick to film photography. |
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11/13/2003 10:07:25 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Neuferland:
As for the people who want the picture to reflect the title, mine does that without a doubt but there are three "Grapes of Wrath" shots in this challenge and only one, to me depicted the book itself and scored higher than the other two which are very cute but the one really caught the book to me.
Deannda |
The wording of the challenge was "Take a picture with a suitable title that is also a title of a book."
My entry (doing the bestest I have ever done, and nothing to do at all with grapes or london busses) is an entry where the picture matches the title of the book but not the contents. The title of the book in my case has very little at all to do with the contents.
For instance, my original idea that I never did was going to be "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance". That book has nothing much to do with motorcycles if my memory of it is correct, but a piocture with a motorbike in a suitable setting would have been nicely within the challenge.
To me a picture that reflects the contents of the book but does not match the title at all is the one that has not fully addressed the challenge (though I would not mark it down if I could spot the connection).
With all the obscure books being used all you need to do is read the title, look at the picture and then see if you think they match. If it were based on content you could not tell if the photo suited the content unless you know the book or managed to find a review of every book you don't know.
I think the site council did well in making this book titles rather than contents.
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11/13/2003 10:57:48 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Natator:
For instance, my original idea that I never did was going to be "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance". That book has nothing much to do with motorcycles if my memory of it is correct, but a piocture with a motorbike in a suitable setting would have been nicely within the challenge... |
As I remember the book was written as a journal of a cross-country motorcycle trip. It definitely has more to do with Zen than repairs, however. |
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