Survival of the Fittest: Wildlife Scores

01/22/2007 01:31:27 PM · #76

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Time to find that dancing banana somewhere...

I'd borrow you mine, if you posted your score...

chip_k

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/22/2007 01:31:58 PM · #77

Originally posted by Gaby_G:

Hmmm... I am not scoring as I expected, and I am kind of pissed, since I prefered to do a good crop than to leave the backround (just dirt and some plants) to show "the enviroment" ... Is the first time I am REALLY hating the DNMC fanatics....

That's why I went with a bigger crop and a "rough" background. Getting the right light, pose, background and subject are all part of a wildlife challenge. It's also why I spent an entire day shooting ;) And, if you've done even just a few challenges, you KNOW how rough the voters can be ;)

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

01/22/2007 01:38:51 PM · #78

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Updated: 01/22/07 01:34 pm

Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM for Canon

01/22/2007 01:41:36 PM · #79

Originally posted by scalvert:

...and getting a "natural" scene can be tricky.

The challenge doesn't say get a photograph of an animal in it's natural scene. It says ""wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians living in a natural environment."

The issue I see being discussed here is that voters are trying to determine whether the photographer was honest in submitting a photograph of an animal (not insect) "living in a natural environment". We are competing for virtual ribbons and some honor here and this should not be an incentive for any of us to compromise our honesty and integrity by submitting a shot that was taken outside of the animals natural environment.

Photographers submitting entries should be honest in the first place and not even be tempted to enter a photo taken in a zoo. It is an unfortunate fact that not everybody can participate in EVERY challenge.

Ubersteiny

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

01/22/2007 01:42:25 PM · #80

Originally posted by rob_banks:

Originally posted by Gaby_G:
Hmmm... I am not scoring as I expected, and I am kind of pissed, since I prefered to do a good crop than to leave the backround (just dirt and some plants) to show "the enviroment" ... Is the first time I am REALLY hating the DNMC fanatics....

That's why I went with a bigger crop and a "rough" background. Getting the right light, pose, background and subject are all part of a wildlife challenge. It's also why I spent an entire day shooting ;) And, if you've done even just a few challenges, you KNOW how rough the voters can be ;)

and whats your score?

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

01/22/2007 01:45:19 PM · #81

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Updated: 01/22/07 01:43 pm

timfythetoo

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

01/22/2007 01:48:05 PM · #82

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Good comment to fav ratio.

kandykarml

Nikon D80

01/22/2007 01:49:47 PM · #83

Votes = 79
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Quick question here.. Why do people view it & not vote??? Does that indicate it's so bad it's not even worthy of a 1.. lol..

I can't believe how well I scored everyone else's photo's.. Too many gems in here to count.. Figures the first challenge I enter has over 200 entries and all of such incredible quality.. (yes I was hoping for low amount of entries & lower quality, I'm greedy that way) :-)

PS.. I didn't lower my vote if I thought the animal was in captivity.. I understood the rules to say "non domesticated animal.. living in a natural environment". Even animals living in zoo's are kept in a "natural environment" to some extent, so it was still within the guidelines of the challenge.. Just my opinion.

Citadel

Nikon D7500

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/22/2007 01:51:49 PM · #84

I think the term "natural environment" for one is key here. If it looks natural to me thats good enough. If it looks fake? Well...thats where I draw the line.

As for insects? Technically they are animals.
The Five kingdoms of life are:

Kingdom Monera: Unicellular and colonial--including the true bacteria (eubacteria) and cyanobacteria (blue-green algae).
Kingdom Protista (Protoctista) Unicellular protozoans and unicellular & multicellular (macroscopic) algae with 9 + 2 cilia and flagella (called undulipodia).
Kingdom Fungi: Haploid and dikaryotic (binucleate) cells, multicellular, generally heterotrophic, without cilia and eukaryotic (9 + 2) flagella (undulipodia).
Kingdom Plantae [250,000 species]: Haplo-diploid life cycles, mostly autotrophic, retaining embryo within female sex organ on parent plant.
Kingdom Animalia: Multicellular animals, without cell walls and without photosynthetic pigments, forming diploid blastula.

From: //waynesword.palomar.edu/trfeb98.htm

No one said that it had to be a bird, fish, or mammal. So long as its in its a natural environment. Actually its says A natural environment if you want to nitpick.

Message edited by author 2007-01-22 13:52:09.

Strikeslip

Canon EOS-5D

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/22/2007 01:52:24 PM · #85

Originally posted by yakatme:

Originally posted by scalvert:
...and getting a "natural" scene can be tricky.

The challenge doesn't say get a photograph of an animal in it's natural scene. It says ""wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians living in a natural environment."

The issue I see being discussed here is that voters are trying to determine whether the photographer was honest in submitting a photograph of an animal (not insect) "living in a natural environment". We are competing for virtual ribbons and some honor here and this should not be an incentive for any of us to compromise our honesty and integrity by submitting a shot that was taken outside of the animals natural environment.

Photographers submitting entries should be honest in the first place and not even be tempted to enter a photo taken in a zoo. It is an unfortunate fact that not everybody can participate in EVERY challenge.

That's my thought as well.

And if someone entered, say, a pigeon in a city setting (I didn't, and sorry if someone actually did, I haven't scored this challenge yet), I would say that is the pigeon's natural habitat, because that's where it lives..... DUH!

Citadel

Nikon D7500

01/22/2007 01:55:18 PM · #86

Originally posted by kandykarml:

Votes = 79
Quick question here.. Why do people view it & not vote???

chip_k

Canon EOS-20D

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

01/22/2007 01:55:22 PM · #87

Originally posted by noisemaker:

and whats your score?

Votes: 78
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This is challenge number 5 for me and, barring a horrendous downturn, is poised be my PR so far.

BeeCee

Nikon D40

01/22/2007 01:57:09 PM · #88

Originally posted by kandykarml:

Votes = 79
Views = 105
Avg = 4.86

Quick question here.. Why do people view it & not vote??? Does that indicate it's so bad it's not even worthy of a 1.. lol..

Lotsa reasons! Personally, I usually browse through all the entries right away, mainly for a chance to enjoy the images as a gallery. Once I start voting I'm looking critically at each shot, "disecting" it, and it's a different mindset than just looking for enjoyment.

Also I may not, for various reasons, be voting a challenge but I'd still like to see what's offered. :)

Message edited by author 2007-01-22 13:58:57.

Strikeslip

Canon EOS-5D

Fujifilm XF 18-55mm f/2.8-4 OIS

01/22/2007 01:57:18 PM · #89

Originally posted by rob_banks:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

and whats your score?

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This is challenge number 5 for me and, barring a horrendous downturn, is poised be my PR so far.

That's "PB", newbie! Now drop and give me twenty!
:-P

JustinM

Fujifilm X-T30

01/22/2007 01:58:48 PM · #90

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Wow I am defineitely pleased with this!

Citadel

Nikon D7500

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/22/2007 01:59:25 PM · #91

Originally posted by kandykarml:

Quick question here.. Why do people view it & not vote??? Does that indicate it's so bad it's not even worthy of a 1.. lol..

Oh yes, some people don't vote in the challenges that they are entered in too.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/22/2007 02:02:00 PM · #92

Originally posted by Citadel:

As for insects? Technically they are animals.

No one said that it had to be a bird, fish, or mammal. So long as its in its a natural environment.

Actually, they did. A quote from the challenge details...

"Details: For the purpose of this challenge, "wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians living in a natural environment. Now that you know what to photograph, take your best shot!"

The details don't allow for insects or fish.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

01/22/2007 02:02:42 PM · #93

Originally posted by yakatme:

So did Wildlife II and Wildlife, yet zoo shots won before. People who have a wild animal living nearby in a "known" location aren't necessarily working any harder than those who travel to a zoo. If the challenge had been "IN the wild" or a special rule prohibited zoos, then I'd be more concerned. Otherwise, I believe most people would consider an anteater to be wildlife whether it's on an African plain or on a school bus. Photography is all about the image, so as long as it appears to be a natural environment that's OK with me.

kandykarml

Nikon D80

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

01/22/2007 02:03:14 PM · #94

Sometimes people go through and just look the first time through to get a feel of the pictures. Othertimes people "cherry pick". I.e. Only vote on the "good" pictures. I really dislike that form of voting because only the top pictures get feedback. Its the average and below average photographers who really need the feedback so that they can get better. (Since I'm in the latter group thats why its so important to me). [/quote]

OK.. I gotcha.. I vote on all too..Maybe not all at once, but I haven't had the time to just look through them and then go back and vote. Sometimes, I don't even have the time to go through every picture in the challenge, so I don't pass anything up when it's right there on my screen..

And, I'm in same spot as you too.. I'm hoping that someone has something to say about my photo..Even if it's to tear it apart.. As of now, not one little word yet.. :-(.. I'm learning and the feedback is really interesting & helpfull to me.. Thank God I have thick skin.. lol Something tells me I'm gonna need it..

Ubersteiny

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM for Canon

01/22/2007 02:05:06 PM · #95

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by yakatme:
The challenge doesn't say get a photograph of an animal in it's natural scene. It says ""wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians living in a natural environment."

So did Wildlife II and Wildlife, yet zoo shots won before. People who have a wild animal living nearby in a "known" location aren't necessarily working any harder than those who travel to a zoo. If the challenge had been "IN the wild" or a special rule prohibited zoos, then I'd be more concerned. Otherwise, I believe most people would consider an anteater to be wildlife whether it's on an African plain or on a school bus. Photography is all about the image, so as long as it appears to be a natural environment that's OK with me.

i agree. and Zoo's offer Natural Habitats for animals as well so there you go.

Canon EF 28-90mm f/4-5.6 II USM (Black)

01/22/2007 02:13:47 PM · #96

Originally posted by scalvert:

So did Wildlife II and Wildlife, yet zoo shots won before.

Photography is all about the image, so as long as it appears to be a natural environment that's OK with me.

I'm not saying that zoo shots can't win. It's my opinion that when the challenge description says "in a natural environment" photographers should be honest and submit a photo of an animal in a natural environment.

Yes, photography is all about the image. But we are not talking about just photography. We are talking about a photography contest for which details guiding the contest were clearly specified and some contestants are clearly ignoring. This often puts the honest contestants at a disadvantage.

At the end of the 'contest' take a look at my entry (btw, it will be near the top for a change ;) ) and you'll better understand what I am talking about. I went through great pains (and something else that would compromise anonimity) to get this shot in it's natural environment.

Gaby_G

Canon EOS-5D

01/22/2007 02:15:26 PM · #97

Originally posted by yakatme:

We are competing for virtual ribbons and some honor here and this should not be an incentive for any of us to compromise our honesty and integrity by submitting a shot that was taken outside of the animals natural environment.

Photographers submitting entries should be honest in the first place and not even be tempted to enter a photo taken in a zoo. It is an unfortunate fact that not everybody can participate in EVERY challenge.

I am such a horrible person then... :(...But well.. I am more preocupied about my late tendency to over process pictures that dont need it then to my lack of ethics... ---But... I do think that the interpratation of the challenge is acording the photographer... It`s kind of harsh to say someone who took a picture at a zoo is dishonest.