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01/15/2007 02:06:59 PM · #1 |
i finally got the raw converter nikon capture nx and am now not sure about the ligality of the (color) control points, you can use to change the colors in a really nice way.
the rules only mention: "use RAW conversion software as long as the changes are made globally to a single file on one layer and do not create new features or effects in the process."
the point is that i'm unsure, whether these control points change the photo "globally" or only parts of the photo.
any help would be apprechiated! |
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01/15/2007 03:49:40 PM · #2 |
I think it could depend on the size of your selection option, but it is never clear to me what it exactly selects. Much depends on your other control points (if you use more than one) wich can undo the more global effects.
Capture NX and the control points are not solely RAW conversion tools either. NX can be used as a standalone photo-editor as much of its tools and the control point technology can be used on tiffs (8 & 16 bit) and jpegs too (from any camera) -can all be saved as a nef-.
In a way you control points work on layers, because as far as I know (after app 4 hours working with NX two weeks ago when I got it) you can also change the opacity of the control point effect.
IMHO they are not ok for basic editing, but I am not sure and have been pressing for a clear ruling for a year now.
For my own situation I think that the control point technology will become a part of my workflow because it is so easy to use with good results.
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01/15/2007 03:55:49 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
but I am not sure and have been pressing for a clear ruling for a year now.
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Just curious, have you been using them?
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01/15/2007 04:01:15 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
but I am not sure and have been pressing for a clear ruling for a year now.
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Just curious, have you been using them? |
I partly edited my "Best of 2006" shot with them. Have always been working with Capture 4.x which doesn't have the technology and got NX in the first week of January. I like the way they work quite a bit and will be using them in the future.
Watch the flash animation and follow the right linkies to the "U-point technology", tutorials and case studies to see what is all about here: //www.capturenx.com/
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01/15/2007 04:03:20 PM · #5 |
I love them and I love NX.
Why do you think they should be illegal in basic if used on one layer? |
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01/15/2007 04:07:44 PM · #6 |
NX doesn't use layers however the u-point technology clearly selects individual areas of the photo which is what I believe would make it illegal in basic.
edit to add: you can tell the point to show it's selection in the property box
Message edited by author 2007-01-15 16:09:32. |
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01/15/2007 04:08:28 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
I love them and I love NX.
Why do you think they should be illegal in basic if used on one layer? |
Because often a single U-point does not select the whole photo or it makes a kind of graduated selection based on certain tone/color values. It also depends a lot on how big you make the U-point selection.
On the other hand I wonder to what effect that is a problem because working with saturation, selective color (I think, not sure -so I never used it in basic-), color balance and hue sliders in Photoshop is perfectly ok.
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01/15/2007 04:11:05 PM · #8 |
Really looks like selective color or replace color on steroids to me :-)
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01/15/2007 04:11:40 PM · #9 |
| Well I hope it stays basic legal it is a wonderful tool. |
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01/15/2007 04:14:16 PM · #10 |
If it were me, I'd use it until someone got DQ'd :-)
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01/15/2007 04:16:36 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
NX doesn't use layers |
In the Edit list I can create sets or single "layers" of control points (create new set), like:
1. Base Adjustments
2. Color Control Point
- Color Control Point 1
- Color Control Point 2
- Color Control Point 3
3. Color Control Point
- Color Control Point 1
- Color Control Point 2
4. Levels & Curves
Now for the sets 2. 3. and 4. above I can change the opacity and set the blending mode of each set seperately. That works very similar like Photoshop layer blending and opacity changes. That's why I compare it to using layers.
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01/15/2007 04:17:12 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Really looks like selective color or replace color on steroids to me :-) |
it is sort of like selective color however selective color selects the color in the whole image. With multiple points you could change just the color of small areas though.
For example if you had a woman in a green dress with matching shoes you could use NX to turn just her shoes red. How would you accomplish that in basic in another program without making a selection?
@thegrandwazoo: yes, it's awesome. I don't like it for editing large batches but if I have an individual picture to edit IMO nothing beats it. |
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01/15/2007 04:18:08 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Originally posted by Megatherian:
NX doesn't use layers |
In the Edit list I can create sets or single "layers" of control points (create new set), like:
1. Base Adjustments
2. Color Control Point
- Color Control Point 1
- Color Control Point 2
- Color Control Point 3
3. Color Control Point
- Color Control Point 1
- Color Control Point 2
4. Levels & Curves
Now for the sets 2. 3. and 4. above I can change the opacity and set the blending mode of each set seperately. That works very similar like Photoshop layer blending and opacity changes. That's why I compare it to using layers. |
Ah, I see what you mean. Point taken ;) |
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01/16/2007 09:38:10 AM · #14 |
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01/16/2007 06:05:25 PM · #15 |
i'd be courious what the sc's opinion is to that...
and what about the black, white and neutral control points, they should be legal in basic, right? i mean they only change the colors globally...or am i wrong? |
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01/16/2007 06:23:00 PM · #16 |
Well, I wish I could provide guidance here, but I really can't at this point. We're aware of the NX capabilities, and have discussed it in the past, but that was pre-release. I personally don't have NX to play with, so a personal opinion from me would be somewhat less than useless :-P
I'll reopen the SC discussion, since I do feel that we owe the community an answer on this. |
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01/20/2007 11:58:03 AM · #17 |
SC Ruling HERE
Better to continu discussion there.
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