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12/28/2006 03:16:45 PM · #26 |
Has this turned into a 'I LOVE Ebay' thread then?
Considering you've got over what your 'buy it now' price was?
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12/28/2006 03:27:08 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by sodoff:
It is possible they misread the listing and are unaware of US only terms. AS a seller, you have to establish this and, if possible offer them the option to buy and pay p&p. To just ignore them cos they failed to follow your terms, could have your account suspended. |
If they fail to follow your clearly indicated shipping terms
you have no obligations to them at all. I never ship overseas because of the numerous little hidden "gotchas" and I very clearly indicate that bids from overseas bidders will be removed. Which is within the rules.
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12/28/2006 03:27:21 PM · #28 |
9/10 it does sound like some sort of scam but if the UK bidder was bidding in british pounds it mite explain the jump in price as its worth more than the US$...
just a thought.
-dave
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12/28/2006 03:34:24 PM · #29 |
Good advice.. I just got done emailing Ebay about it.. Hopefully it pans out..
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12/28/2006 04:09:06 PM · #30 |
I too ship only to the US and and once in a while a non-us person bids and wins.
I email them and tell them i take only confiremd paypal or a cleared money order. western union online works well too.
i get them an exact shipping and let them choose how - fed ex, ups or mail. they pay insurance, and i get delivery confirmation if possible, and tell the buy that in no uncertain terms, once it leaved my hands i am done with it no matter what customs may want to do on their end.
once i have the money i ship it, and have not yet had a problem - japan, portugal, several to canada.
if you did not communicate with the auction winner about this they have a right to be pissed off and report you to ebay, regardless of what your auction might say about shipping or selling to US only.
as for the auction exceeding the buy it now price, good for you - it's supposed to work that way! it's the whole auction fever thing, and prices at auctions and ebay is an auction, don't always make sense.
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12/28/2006 04:16:57 PM · #31 |
did you check your paypal account or whatever account you use to accept epayments? this sounds just like a Nigerian scam that sucked some time and effort out of my ebaying lately. DO NOT send unless you have the money in your account. I was sent all kinds of really good, but FAKE notices that my paypal payment was received. It looked just like a paypal email, but when I went to my actual paypal account, nothing was there. Just hoping that you check every possibility out before sending stuff out. And don't click though a paypal link in an email. Man I sound paranoid but this stuff happened to me a month ago and it pissed me off to no end!
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12/28/2006 04:17:13 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
I too ship only to the US and and once in a while a non-us person bids and wins.
I email them and tell them i take only confiremd paypal or a cleared money order. western union online works well too.
i get them an exact shipping and let them choose how - fed ex, ups or mail. they pay insurance, and i get delivery confirmation if possible, and tell the buy that in no uncertain terms, once it leaved my hands i am done with it no matter what customs may want to do on their end.
once i have the money i ship it, and have not yet had a problem - japan, portugal, several to canada.
if you did not communicate with the auction winner about this they have a right to be pissed off and report you to ebay, regardless of what your auction might say about shipping or selling to US only.
as for the auction exceeding the buy it now price, good for you - it's supposed to work that way! it's the whole auction fever thing, and prices at auctions and ebay is an auction, don't always make sense. |
Well, I did try and contact the original buyer and Ebay about this matter.. We'll see how it goes..
I have cleansed my hands of the 300D, it's now on its way to Bob.
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12/28/2006 04:18:58 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by achiral:
did you check your paypal account or whatever account you use to accept epayments? this sounds just like a Nigerian scam that sucked some time and effort out of my ebaying lately. DO NOT send unless you have the money in your account. I was sent all kinds of really good, but FAKE notices that my paypal payment was received. It looked just like a paypal email, but when I went to my actual paypal account, nothing was there. Just hoping that you check every possibility out before sending stuff out. And don't click though a paypal link in an email. Man I sound paranoid but this stuff happened to me a month ago and it pissed me off to no end! |
No, you are not paranoid. You are smart for having such worries. And yes, I am familiar with all sorts of scams... When checking any account eg ebay, paypal, my bank ect ect. I TYPE THE URL.. I never click the "link" in the e-mail..
And yes, I have the money in my account from the Second Chance Buyer..
Message edited by author 2006-12-28 16:19:16.
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12/28/2006 04:34:13 PM · #34 |
What happens if the UK buyer insists on his won item? Did you state that you would cancal any bid not from US? Some people forget when doing p&p to include worldwide and so a buyer can assume that if they pay p&p overseas, you will send it.
I have had numerous buyers do this, even tho I have stated UK only. I also state Paypal only, yet they still bid and ask to pay by cheque.
I guess legally, despite the fact you stated US only, the UK buyer is the legal buyer in ebay's eyes. |
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12/28/2006 04:53:04 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by sodoff:
What happens if the UK buyer insists on his won item? Did you state that you would cancal any bid not from US? Some people forget when doing p&p to include worldwide and so a buyer can assume that if they pay p&p overseas, you will send it.
I have had numerous buyers do this, even tho I have stated UK only. I also state Paypal only, yet they still bid and ask to pay by cheque.
I guess legally, despite the fact you stated US only, the UK buyer is the legal buyer in ebay's eyes. |
Well, this is what I am afraid of.. I have contacted both the UK user and Ebay about this matter. The original auction stated USA shipping only and only had options for USA shipping. I don't know where he/she would get off that I would send to UK...
I contacted the buyer shortly after and said in bold: "DO NOT send money into my account" and "CANCEL, this transaction.. I also told him because he/she is in the UK.. I can not send the item to them.. I said I have moved on and offered it to the Second Chance auction..
I am waiting to hear from Ebay.. Does anyone know a number I can call? I hate e-mailing places.. I want to talk to a real person..
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12/28/2006 04:56:32 PM · #36 |
| You're best just waiting for ebay and buyer in UK to reply. In the meantime, send item to second chance and use money as you wanted to. You can always state UK buyer breached your listing rules. I am sure ebay will agree that the case is sorted, and as no money has been sent, you owe the UK guy nothing. |
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12/28/2006 04:58:51 PM · #37 |
| A very common scam utilizes phony cashiers checks. If you receive a cashier's check from the UK Buyer beware. You can deposit the phony cashier's check into your bank account and your bank will likely give you immediate credit for the amount of the cashier's check. Several days later when the cashier's check is discovered to be no good, the bank will come back and remove that money from your account. This is a common scam used by scammers on Craigslist. Don't trust cashiers checks. |
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12/28/2006 05:02:02 PM · #38 |
Well without reading this whole thread I wanted to let you know what happenend to me:
I put my S1-IS on there and some guy won the auction then e-mailed me that the money would be put in my account when I proved I shipped it. I filed a non paying bidder to ebay instantly. I called them on the phone and they told me to report every e-mail I got. They made it look like a paypal e-mail. So you will have to file and as soon as you file with ebay on a non paying bidder or scammer alert you can relist the item. But you will have to wait to get reimbursed for the percentage ebay charged you.
Message edited by author 2006-12-28 17:08:39.
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12/28/2006 05:04:30 PM · #39 |
I don't think this is a scam. It is probably someone just bidding on items for fun just to piss off sellers. It happens a lot. If you specify Paypal the scam wouldn't work anyway. Too many people are paranoid about ebay and Paypal, they think they are going to be ripped off. I have bought and sold for years on there and never had a problem.
As a seller, ensure you specify your rules and stick to them in your listing. As a buyer, buy from reputable sellers who are Paypal validated. If you like a gamble, go with the low feedback sellers and buyers, but you take your chances. |
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12/28/2006 05:07:04 PM · #40 |
Considering that there are many 300Ds on Ebay for much less than $910, if that idiot in the UK insists on paying that, I can GUARANTEE you something is wrong with that situation. If I were "he", I would be delighted to not have to pay what "auction fever" got me into.
If he has sent no money, jfriesen is under no legal requirement to supply him with a camera. He may have won an auction, but I think it's easy to miss the point of the situation. I think something is "crooked" about it, and if he raises a cry about it, I would almost guarantee it.
The first response I would have to "him" if he contacted "me", would be "Why do you want to pay double or triple market value for this camera, in addition to international shipping?" and then point "him" to the many 300D auctions that are currently active.
If no money changes hands, Ebay surely cannot prosecute for failure to deliver. Negative feedback would be the very worst, I would think.
I would advise that accepting "Bob's" money and shipping the camera so quickly might have been a mistake. Not that it's "wrong", but now you have no options.
I bet that the truth of what happened here is that ANOTHER seller of 300D cameras wanted to drive up the market price of 300Ds on Ebay, created a brand new user name, bid on jfriesen's camera (with absolutely no intention of ever paying), and sat back with the anticipation of selling cameras to the unlucky losers. I bet Ebay could track IPs and find such behavior if they were so inclined. Remember the "zeros" associated with the new user.
This has "stench" all over it. If he really wants a camera, I guarantee you that jfriesen could buy a camera and sell it to him for $910 and come out ahead. I don't think he's after a camera. He's either washing money or he's selling cameras. Or maybe something else. It could even be extortion. He may claim that he mailed a cashier's check - may even have a receipt - and that jfriesen owes him a full refund. jfriesen may never see the check, but even if he does, it may be rubber as heck.
There are all kinds of scenarios, and none of them make me believe this guy needs to pay $910 for a camera.
Fishy. |
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12/28/2006 05:13:19 PM · #41 |
Problem here is that jfriesen has offered the second chance and has the money from Bob! So, does he refund the money to Bob and be in breach of contract as he offered said item to Bob? Does he await ebay and UK buyer?
I think, and this is how I would deal with the situation as it is now, send 300D to Bob, he has been offered it and accepted the offer in good faith. And, PAID!!
UK buyer is probably a phoney bidder, so let ebay deal with him/her. |
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12/28/2006 05:14:46 PM · #42 |
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12/28/2006 05:18:25 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by sodoff:
Problem here is that jfriesen has offered the second chance and has the money from Bob! So, does he refund the money to Bob and be in breach of contract as he offered said item to Bob? Does he await ebay and UK buyer?
I think, and this is how I would deal with the situation as it is now, send 300D to Bob, he has been offered it and accepted the offer in good faith. And, PAID!!
UK buyer is probably a phoney bidder, so let ebay deal with him/her. |
I believe he has already sent the camera to Bob.
My point about moving too quickly was a "wisdom learned" remark meaning that he might cover his bases a little better if this ever happens again. Simply hindsight. Nothing to do now. |
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12/28/2006 05:19:33 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by nards656:
Fishy. |
Thanks for your input, and yes something is very fishy here.
I offered it to "Bob" because I had an immediate suspicion with the $900+ bidder. I mean, I check the auction when it had literally less than a minute left and BAM! The prices goes from 580 to 900+ ! That my friends is very fishy.. Plus the 0 feedback/no transactions? What the heck?
I felt that "Bob" really wanted the camera.. He was bidding from the very beginning. He was the one to originally meet my reservation price. And boy did he prove it by instantly paying me 850.00. So I reacted by sending him his rightful merchandise promptly...
I initially tried to contact the originally buyer with no response.. and yes, a lot of time hadn't passed but by him bidding on the auction at the very last moment, I know he had to be logged on to receive ebay messages. But, maybe he wasn't who knows..
I have contacted everyone I could contact.. It's just a waiting game... But I really want to speak with an ebay representative..
Edit: And yes, next time I will have clear rules for my auctions.. Strict shipping and cancellation rules. I would also like the immediate payment function..
Message edited by author 2006-12-28 17:23:24.
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12/28/2006 05:24:56 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by jfriesen:
I felt that "Bob" really wanted the camera.. He was bidding from the very beginning. He was the one to originally meet my reservation price. And boy did he prove it by instantly paying me 850.00. So I reacted by sending him his rightful merchandise promptly...
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I think Bob has enemies .... :) |
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12/28/2006 05:43:41 PM · #46 |
I think you have covered everthing, jfriesen.
As I said before, send Bob his camera, take his money and let ebay sort everything out. You probably won't get to speak to someone from ebay personally, but they do well via e-mails.
Make sure future listings are precise. And, don't move on your requirements. Used properly, ebay is great. Just be careful to make sure everything is set out as clearly as possible. I sold my lenses and 300D on ebay, plus my Fuji 4900Z, and the Fuji 9500 without a problem.
I bought Canon 28-135 lens new, no problems. Plus loads more for camera and ipod. It is true, deal with those who have good feedback. Put in your listing that anyone with less than 10 feedback need to e-mail you or their bids will be cancelled.
Good Luck. |
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12/28/2006 08:33:19 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by nards656:
I bet that the truth of what happened here is that ANOTHER seller of 300D cameras wanted to drive up the market price of 300Ds on Ebay, created a brand new user name, bid on jfriesen's camera (with absolutely no intention of ever paying), and sat back with the anticipation of selling cameras to the unlucky losers. I bet Ebay could track IPs and find such behavior if they were so inclined. Remember the "zeros" associated with the new user.
This has "stench" all over it. If he really wants a camera, I guarantee you that jfriesen could buy a camera and sell it to him for $910 and come out ahead. I don't think he's after a camera. He's either washing money or he's selling cameras. Or maybe something else. It could even be extortion. He may claim that he mailed a cashier's check - may even have a receipt - and that jfriesen owes him a full refund. jfriesen may never see the check, but even if he does, it may be rubber as heck.
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Could also be something as "innocent" as a user overbidding and regretting it, then setting up a fake account to get out of the bid (but becasue bob bought the second chance, that's probably not right.)
Could be that someone wanted to see what the other bidders max prices were.
Could be another seller wanted to make bob lose so that bob would buy the other camera. |
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12/28/2006 08:45:01 PM · #48 |
BTW, send Bob and invite to join us here :-)
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12/28/2006 09:27:08 PM · #49 |
Actually, it sounds like Bob got ripped off. If you are going to disregard the bid by the UK guy, you should have sold the camera to Bob for his last offical highest bid that was showing and not what his non-showing highest bid was. That would be the $580 and not the $850. So if it was me, once I got to thinking about it, I'd put in a complaint that you created a new name just to put in a fake bid so you could drive the price up. So why didn't you sell it to him for $580 since that was his last shown bid?
Paranoia runs both ways. ;D
Mike
P.S. I'm not saying you did, just that it could look that way and I've seen it done with shills. No matter how good something is, there are always people that can find a way to abuse it.
Message edited by author 2006-12-28 23:45:41.
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12/29/2006 12:31:33 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by MikeJ:
Actually, it sounds like Bob got ripped off. If you are going to disregard the bid by the UK guy, you should have sold the camera to Bob for his last offical highest bid that was showing and not what his non-showing highest bid was. That would be the $580 and not the $850. So if it was me, once I got to thinking about it, I'd put in a complaint that you created a new name just to put in a fake bid so you could drive the price up. So why didn't you sell it to him for $580 since that was his last shown bid?
Paranoia runs both ways. ;D
Mike
P.S. I'm not saying you did, just that it could look that way and I've seen it done with shills. No matter how good something is, there are always people that can find a way to abuse it. |
"Bob" had to accept or reject the Second Chance offer. He chose to accept it at that price.. In the Second Chance e-mail that was sent to him, I clearly left room for more communication about this transaction.. He still showed no worry about the price and paid me in full. It IS NEVER my intent to rip someone off.
Since then, Bob and I have been communicating via e-mail, confirming transaction details and address and I have sent him a scan of the UPS Store receipt and everything is said in a good tone..
His final e-mail of the night consisted that I was a "credit to ebay sellers everywhere"
And for the creating a new ebay id, that can easily be disproven by the ebay officials with a quick IP check...
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