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10/30/2006 11:56:45 PM · #1 |
Well here is a short story..
I took my mother's old diamond in to get a new band for it (my mother gave it to me because she is divorced) I am going to give it to my future fiance in a couple months
Anyway, this diamond has papers.. its legit
here it is ::
ROUND BRILLIANT CUT
1.01 Carats
POLISH = GOOD
SYMMETRY = GOOD
CLARITY = VS(2)
COLOR GRADE = NEAR COLORLESS (I)
Flourescense = NONE
anyway, I get back tonight and take some macro shots and this is what I get:
Do you think I got jipped?
Oh and the girl at the counter told me all this crap about them when they were making my ring.. about them trying to sell diamonds with a lot of carbon in them.. and how they wait around to get to making the rings until the last minute
the bad thing is, I didn't take pics of it before. .anyways.. please tell me what you think. Does this look like a real diamond? I figure a lot of your are married with rings.. can anyone provide any help? what should I do? |
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10/31/2006 12:04:02 AM · #2 |
You say this diamond had papers. Can you take the papers and the ring to a reputable appraiser and see what they say? Maybe they could tell you if it matches up with the paperwork or not.
If you fear it is cut glass, have it xrayed. Diamonds wont show up on an xray (low dose) but cut glass will.
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10/31/2006 12:04:36 AM · #3 |
That rock to me seems more like SI to I not VS2. Here is a link //www.diamondring.com/forums/diamondtutorial.php?learn=4.But I am no expert.
Good luck |
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10/31/2006 12:06:06 AM · #4 |
hard to tell without previous proof. Can you take to the original shop who graded it?
Unfortunately it does happen. When I bought my wife her diamond ring many years ago, the diamond was selected loose and was to fitted in the band. The one we choose was good with no flaws. A few months later we looked and we could see carbon spots with the naked eye. Took it back and they apoligized for the mistake but who really knows if the replacement was the right one.
Best of luck. |
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10/31/2006 12:06:07 AM · #5 |
that's what I am saying.. The papers for the original diamond say VS(2).. I think they swapped it for this lesser grade/fake diamond... |
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10/31/2006 12:07:56 AM · #6 |
Make sure it's clean also. It's amazing how a little spec on the outside can make it look awful. Good luck.
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10/31/2006 12:08:17 AM · #7 |
| Does your grading report have a sketch of the flaws in the diamond? If so you can use that to see it the rock you have matches up. |
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10/31/2006 12:10:32 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Does your grading report have a sketch of the flaws in the diamond? If so you can use that to see it the rock you have matches up. |
yes it does and no, the marks don't line up... but I don't have an expert eye..
I think I should take it to another gemologist to see |
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10/31/2006 12:12:39 AM · #9 |
That diamond certianly doesn't look like the one described on your cert.
That looks close to an I1. |
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10/31/2006 12:12:49 AM · #10 |
I would go and get my rock back asap. I say if you can see it why wait, go back with a copy of your report and prove it to them.
Message edited by author 2006-10-31 00:22:09. |
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10/31/2006 12:31:21 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
I would go and get my rock back asap. I say if you can see it why wait, go back with a copy of your report and prove it to them. |
And take your pics with you to do it... |
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10/31/2006 12:47:55 AM · #12 |
Many years ago I worked in the jewelry industry and this type of 'scam' is not common but it does happen. I'm sorry to hear this and I truly hope you are able to recover your diamond, but it might end up being one of life's ugly lessons.
Roseann |
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10/31/2006 02:30:44 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by jfriesen:
Well here is a short story..
I took my mother's old diamond in to get a new band for it (my mother gave it to me because she is divorced) I am going to give it to my future fiance in a couple months
Anyway, this diamond has papers.. its legit
here it is ::
ROUND BRILLIANT CUT
1.01 Carats
POLISH = GOOD
SYMMETRY = GOOD
CLARITY = VS(2)
COLOR GRADE = NEAR COLORLESS (I)
Flourescense = NONE
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Bring your papers to three different jewelers. Ask them if the diamond matches the description. If they say it does not, then go back and raise hell. And it may not just be the carbon. The jewelers will also evaluate if it qualifies for "good" symmetry and "color".
And if it doesn't, threaten to raise hell. Also, go online and see if anyone else has posted similar problems regarding said company. If so, then you've got a much stronger case.
You're very very luck you have papers. If they show the inclusion patterns and you can have say 2-3 jewelers verify. Walk in, demand your diamond back. If they say "no" dial 911 and file charges for arrest. As I believe a 1 carrot diamond of that quality exceed $1,000 such an act would be grand larceny and a felony. And if they did this to you, I am sure they are doing it to a lot of customers.
Or take a few weekends off, and stand outside and tell every customer that they are stealing peoples diamonds.
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I confess, I have little left in me for such creatures.
Message edited by author 2006-10-31 02:35:46. |
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10/31/2006 02:35:24 AM · #14 |
Also when/if you go back don't give them the orignal certificate - if they ask for it give them a copy. See if they are part of a quality organisation/scheme..if you know what I mean, and contact them.
Message edited by author 2006-10-31 02:36:44. |
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10/31/2006 02:39:41 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by jfriesen:
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This one looks chipped to me. Diamonds do not get chipped. It takes something really strong to chip one of the strongest materials in this world. |
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10/31/2006 03:50:51 AM · #16 |
Everyone is suggesting taking the papers and the diamond to have it evaluated to see if it matches the papers. Everyone is saying "If it doesn't, you've been ripped off, and go after them!" And this, of course, is good advice and it may even work.
BUT...
I had a friend in the jewelry business, in Carmel (he was a certified gemologist and very highly regarded) and he used to complain about the number of people who would bring a stone in for setting or resetting, take the resultant work home, and THEN come back at him with papers that did not describe the original diamond; THEY were scamming HIM. They wanted him to pony up a better stone, and used the threat of "exposing" his unethical actions to attempt to extort the better stone from him.
So people DO do this, and if push comes to shove the store may well contend that your papers do not describe the diamond you brought to them. In future, your safest course of action is to bring the papers in WITH the stone when you first go to the store, and to have a copy of the papers signed off on by the jeweler. But that's a little after the fact in this case :-(
R. |
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10/31/2006 04:14:59 AM · #17 |
yep i would go in and get it checked out. It is impossible to tell if a diamond is real or not just by looking at it or taking macro photos of it. My uncle was a jewler and for him to check if a diamond was real or not, he had to test it.
Message edited by author 2006-10-31 04:15:07.
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10/31/2006 06:29:12 AM · #18 |
Of course one other thing to ask is has this ring ever been into another jeweller at any time where a swap could have taken place without your Mom knowing it? Just tread warily you dont want to be the one that gets sued for defamation if this is in fact the case.
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10/31/2006 09:41:29 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by leaf:
yep i would go in and get it checked out. It is impossible to tell if a diamond is real or not just by looking at it or taking macro photos of it. My uncle was a jewler and for him to check if a diamond was real or not, he had to test it. |
You need a "diamond probe" to see if it's truly a diamond.
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10/31/2006 09:51:31 AM · #20 |
dude sounds like you got hosed. what was the certifying company. just because you have papers doesn't mean they're legit papers. i was scared when I was shopping around for my wife's ring. finally i found a place that showed me the GIA cert which had a picture of the specks that should be found in the diamond. then he took me to a microscope and showed me the flaws so that I would know he wasn't messing around with me. i would highly highly recommend getting a certified diamond AND inspecting it under microscope before buying. if the jeweler says he can't do that, go elsewhere, he CAN, and that's a huge investment to be jerked around by a salesman. sorry you're going through this, hope it all is just a big misunderstanding or something. good luck
Message edited by author 2006-10-31 09:55:28.
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10/31/2006 09:55:18 AM · #21 |
I'd say they have your diamond. However, even if you bring them your papers with the marks, they may say you are trying to 'SCAM' them !
They'll likely say "we gave you the correct ring back"..."you swtched it at home and are telling us we ripped you off"!
I'd get some "legal" advice.
Skid
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10/31/2006 10:20:51 AM · #22 |
Not to say your mom would do this; but I have heard stories of women who were short on cash and swapped out their own diamond, assuming no one would ever know.
In this case, it sounds as though you might have gotten ripped. Is it possible to give the papers to a professional and have them look over the store's stock as a potential "customer"; to see if your diamond is there? |
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