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10/19/2006 11:36:59 AM · #76
that IS awesome! ...
I gotta copy this! ;)

Originally posted by dallasdux:

Originally posted by Pedro:



this one of MAKs is also a fab example.


Wow, that is a great bokeh shot. Nice job MAK.

10/19/2006 12:04:33 PM · #77
O circles of confusion why hath thou forsaken me?

:-P
10/19/2006 12:32:32 PM · #78
Bokeh, translated from Japanese, simply means "fuzzy". Last time many voters reduced the term "bokeh" to the "rendering of circular highlights". I believe this is wrong. I like the pretty circular highlights as everyone else, though:
10/19/2006 12:34:35 PM · #79
BoKeh also means "Fool" or "Idiot" :-P

Message edited by author 2006-10-19 12:36:09.
10/19/2006 12:35:38 PM · #80
Originally posted by dallasdux:

Originally posted by Pedro:



this one of MAKs is also a fab example.


Wow, that is a great bokeh shot. Nice job MAK.

Agree, nice bokeh - however, don't you think it's a little thin on subject matter? Guess it's ok in an abstract kind of way...
10/19/2006 12:36:28 PM · #81
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

BoKeh also means "Fool" or "Idiot" :-P


Hehe
10/19/2006 12:38:33 PM · #82
Originally posted by dallasdux:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Show The Voter Where the Bokeh Is, Girl



This one has strong bokeh. It is a good shot of the dog and has the blurred circles I hear people talking about when they like their bokeh. Simply my opinion here, but the bokeh on this is actually too strong. What I mean by that is, when I view bokeh, I like to see a progression of the image going out of focus. A transition if you will. Here I get the sharpness of the dog followed by strong bokeh and no (or too little) transition between the two. But, judging from my scores, what do I know ;)

It is a good image to show the bokeh circles.


I was actually going to run it with that title, but decided I might get hammered by voters for being a smarta$$, :-)
10/19/2006 12:41:03 PM · #83
So to sum up, a good picture for this challenge would meet the following criteria:

- Super-sharp subject
- Background that has a high contrast in colour and/or light that is relatively distant to the subject. (or a foreground that is relatively distant to the subject to achieve foreground bokeh which is harder to attain).
- The bokeh will have definite spherical or polygonal elements (Circles of confusion)

Would this summary be correct?
10/19/2006 12:42:39 PM · #84
Originally posted by Citadel:


- The bokeh will have definite spherical or polygonal elements (Circles of confusion)

Would this summary be correct?


NO! But that is because of the way I define BoKeh using the Japanese Idea. Not the DPC idea of what BoKeh is.

Message edited by author 2006-10-19 12:42:48.
10/19/2006 12:44:21 PM · #85
Originally posted by Citadel:

... Would this summary be correct?

There is no summary for this challenge. :D Take a peek at the dozens of threads generated by the last two Bokeh challenges. He-he.
10/19/2006 12:50:38 PM · #86
Originally posted by Citadel:

So to sum up, a good picture for this challenge would meet the following criteria:

- Super-sharp subject
- Background that has a high contrast in colour and/or light that is relatively distant to the subject. (or a foreground that is relatively distant to the subject to achieve foreground bokeh which is harder to attain).
- The bokeh will have definite spherical or polygonal elements (Circles of confusion)

Would this summary be correct?


Not necessarily.

Point 1: IMHO, the subject doesn't need to be super-sharp, especially not the whole subject - it helps if some portion of the image is sharp, but to say that the subject needs to be super-sharp is overkill I think. Example:



Very little of the subject is sharp, but it works just fine.

Point 2: High contrast in colour or light, or distance, is really not that important at all. You could have a rather monochromatic composition with subject and background/foreground quite close to each other, and still have a decent bokeh image. I'm thinking of something like this:



Subject is very close to out of focus foreground and background, there's very little other colour than blue, and there isn't that much difference in contrast between subject and fore/background.

Point 3: definite spherical or polygonal will help with scores :) But then you could do stuff like this:



No sphericals or polygonals, but it is bokeh.

ADDED: He, he, so I'm using my own pictures for examples - write it off to being too lazy to go look for the examples elsewhere. Too lazy, really, not just trying to push my own images. Really ;P

Message edited by author 2006-10-19 13:09:43.
10/19/2006 01:14:58 PM · #87
Man, I am so good at killing threads!

:(
10/19/2006 01:20:55 PM · #88
So this image would be an example of Shallow depth of field but the bokeh would be mediocre? (I'm trying to set the bar for myself here by the way).
10/19/2006 01:22:44 PM · #89
Originally posted by ursula:

Man, I am so good at killing threads!

:(

Nah. I think everyone is still reeling from that impressive photo lineup you posted! :D
10/19/2006 01:24:42 PM · #90
Originally posted by Citadel:

So this image would be an example of Shallow depth of field but the bokeh would be mediocre? (I'm trying to set the bar for myself here by the way).


Yes. Plus, it's almost not shallow enough. If you want to go shallow, make it really shallow (for the most part - there are always exceptions). In this case, it almost looks like a mistake rather than shallow DOF. And the bokeh doesn't really do much for the image, a bit, but not much.

IMO, of course :)

Message edited by author 2006-10-19 13:25:30.
10/19/2006 01:39:27 PM · #91
Thats the information I was looking for. By the way I was just playing around with the camera for the first time and I was actually trying to achieve a shallow depth of field but I was trying to do it in automatic mode. (Darn automatic mode!).

Anyways, your comments give me some idea what I am going to have to do to score well on this challenge.
10/19/2006 01:46:10 PM · #92
Originally posted by Citadel:

Thats the information I was looking for. By the way I was just playing around with the camera for the first time and I was actually trying to achieve a shallow depth of field but I was trying to do it in automatic mode. (Darn automatic mode!).

Anyways, your comments give me some idea what I am going to have to do to score well on this challenge.


And here I was worried you'd throw rotten eggs at me :)

NEVER USE AUTOMATIC (or almost never). He, he, he, stick shift is so much more fun!
10/19/2006 02:15:53 PM · #93
OK,

So I read through the post, I can't figure out what BOKEH is?

JUST KIDDING!!!!!!! lol
10/19/2006 02:24:12 PM · #94
www.kenrockwell.com/tech/bokeh.htm kenrockwell.com/tech/bokeh.htm this link might help
10/19/2006 02:24:36 PM · #95
NO NOT KEN!

ETA: :-P

Message edited by author 2006-10-19 14:24:49.
10/19/2006 02:28:57 PM · #96
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

NO NOT KEN!

ETA: :-P


Ohhh Good Lord... I guess Ken is the end all be all :-) End of discussion ... LOL
10/19/2006 02:30:59 PM · #97
ok fill me in. I dont know Ken, Just found his sight.
10/19/2006 02:31:05 PM · #98
ken? what's wrong with him?
10/19/2006 02:32:06 PM · #99
He is a contentious topic all by himself then add that to the BoKeh topic and LMAO!
10/19/2006 02:34:10 PM · #100
Originally posted by biteme:

ken? what's wrong with him?


hmmm... not sure I wanna open THAT can of worms. But, let's just say that a LOT of people find him over-rated and arrogant.
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