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10/05/2006 03:48:25 PM · #1

i posted this in the wrong section before.

anyone have aikido or iaido photos? I would love to see what people have, I will post some after work.

If you train, I would also be interested in where, what style and who is the sensei.

JM

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10/05/2006 03:55:45 PM · #2

Can I hijack this? :) Just to say I'd also love to see some aikido or other martial arts pictus, especially (and here comes the hijacking part) some capoeira ones ;)
don't kill me, Justin :)

10/05/2006 04:05:26 PM · #3

Originally posted by mecfcosta:

Can I hijack this? :) Just to say I'd also love to see some aikido or other martial arts pictus, especially (and here comes the hijacking part) some capoeira ones ;)
don't kill me, Justin :)

capoeira? lol. youve seen only the strong too may times :)

I dont have any Akido shots but did study it for 3 years in Stillwater OK the Sensi is no longer teaching though. I do have some Taijutsu pics from a few years back, and can easily get more. Never heard of iaido though

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10/05/2006 04:07:57 PM · #4

capoeira pics are kinda silly - it's all about movement, stills don't do it justice...
movies are fine but there's really no substitute for watching it in real life :)

oh, i love this aikido pic (from the aikido faq website): //www.aikidofaq.com/bilder/osensei06.gif the guy looks so relaxed :)

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10/05/2006 04:09:52 PM · #5

i won't kill you. copiera is cool looking, not much martial value, but acrobatic to say the least. i think its funny how people argue which art is most effective when it doesn't matter which art, but your own personality.

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10/05/2006 04:11:05 PM · #6

that picture is of o' sensei founder of aikido.

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10/05/2006 04:24:01 PM · #7

Originally posted by nemesise1977:

capoeira? lol. youve seen only the strong too may times :)

Actually I can't stand that movie :)

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10/05/2006 04:28:02 PM · #8

Originally posted by lament:

The relaxed look is part of Akido, it should be natural looking motions with little force or strength used, and the art favors the short as a low center of gravity is key. In akido if your moving quickly or using muscle..your not doing it right.

Btw Taijutsu(ninjitsu) is what Akido is based off of. O Sensi who devloped Akido was a student of Ninjitsu master Tamaguri(I think will have to look up his name) but did not get past the Kehon (simple) instructions before being put in prison. If you study Akido and then ninjitsu you will find names and gernal ideas of tequnies are the same, just Kami and waza are much diffrent as wel as the henkas. Also philisophy as how to use them Akido is passive while Ninjutsu is both passive and aggressive and very focused in zan shein(sp?) but still if your musceling it you aint doing it right.

No one art is "superior" but skilled practioners of each art are, as well though many arts teach bad body dynamics or damaging pratices. Such as Tae Kwon Do...snap kicks can hard on the knees

10/05/2006 04:32:18 PM · #9

Originally posted by mecfcosta:

Well, I do agree Capoeira live and/or filmed is visually more interesting, but photos can be very attractive too if made the right way.
About it not being a martial art, well, I know some capoeiristas who can beat any other martial artists anyday, just by using capoeira ;)

Originally posted by nemesise1977:
capoeira? lol. youve seen only the strong too may times :)

Actually I can't stand that movie :)

Good as the guy in that move does not actually use capoeira, If I remember correctly he studies and pratices a style Kung Fu. He just did periodic flips ect to make it sorta look like capoeira. And capoeira is a very effective art, while it looks more like a lazy acrobatic dance the fliping motions combined with gravity can produce some very deceptivly strong blows, strong enough that attempting to block them is unwise. best defence is no be ther, or at least not where they want you.

10/05/2006 04:40:34 PM · #10

i think your facts are off about o sensei. He never trained ninjitsu, that was assins for hire. he was part of the last samurai class. A ninja is essentially the opposite.

he studied judo, kendo, and daito ryu jujitsu and practice the omoto ryu religion.

He took time away from training and study due to WWII which afterward he developed what is modern aikido.

10/05/2006 05:45:44 PM · #11

Originally posted by Jmnuggy:

Your history on Ninjitsu is way off. Ninjitsu (taijutsu) is a martial are devloped from several Ryus. Each from a diffrent Region from Japan. most of the practiners were pesants or farmers. The whole assian thing is more from movie lore and twisted stories, while it is true that they did do things secreatly or by decpetion it was more to protect their families and out of being hired assians. Miyamoto Mushashi a samuri was even listed as a Ninjitsu master (samuri just means servant and was not a style of combat).Toshitsugu Takamatsu is who the founder of Akido traind under for a short time. While there is alot of lore about Ninjutsu most of it cannot be proven and seems more fantasy than reality. Most who study it to day just call it Taijutsu as to not be tied to the old myths (Im not saying that some Ninjas did not work as assians just that there is much more to it than that)
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bujinkan
//www.winjutsu.com/ninjakids/nk_history.html

10/05/2006 05:57:53 PM · #12

taijutsu means empty hands or hand to hand combat. We have taijutsu aikido class as well as aikiken.

I know musashi well. His retired from being a samurai in his late 20s. he could be called an Iai master, a kendo master, but not a ninjistu master. He went into recluse after retiring and studied his own art, mastering the techniques of two swords. When he was 60 he wrote Book of 5 Rings which was his guide to winning and conflict. Thats were his fame comes from. There is actually very little info on him except for what came from his own writings in Book of 5 Rings.

10/05/2006 06:12:04 PM · #13

Originally posted by Jmnuggy:

Correct Taijutsu means empty hand, and the taijutsu akido come from what Toshitsugu Takamatsu taught, Who also taught the current Bujikan taijutsu /ninjutsu master *we commonly use taijutsu instead of ninjitsu as our school name to try to shake the black mask ninja to carrying star throwing assian image moves and old lore paint of nijutsu.
From what I know accoring to scrolls in possesion of Soke Hatsumi it shows musashi as a Grand master of Taijutsu/ninjitsu and as a matter of pratice the Five rings is required reading. The art is noting like most people think and has many elements, Taijutsu is just one of them.

10/06/2006 10:27:00 AM · #14

please link a source for o' sensei being taught by this master. I have looked high and low and the closest I can find is a story of the two meeting at a demo.

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10/06/2006 11:41:44 AM · #15

before you said you didn't know iaido. Iaido is the art of the quick draw sword. There are always 4 parts to an iaido kata, the drawing cut, killing cut, chiburi (removing blood/tissue from the blade) and noto (resheathing). There are many styles, I train muso shinden ryu iaido. Most of the differences have to do with the noto and chiburi. the forms are practiced solo and we use a real sword w/ saya. By real, I mean we start with an iaito which is a unsharpened metal sword w/ the same balance/weight of a katana. After a few years students start to train w/ a live blade. Live blades are as you know extremely dangerous and technique needs to be essentially flawless as to not cut yourself. they are sharp enough to cut through the saya and take some fingers with it. All the katas are based on situations samurai would have encountered. The idea is to draw faster than your opponent while delivering a cut at the same time.

the details in iaido practice are endless. obviously it is completely outdated now and has no martial value unless i encounter someone wearing their sword while im wearing mine and we duel.

Another note is the swords are f***ing expensive. I have an iaito, $600. Live blades from Japan start at around $7000 and can easily hit the $12K mark depending on the swordsmith.

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10/06/2006 11:58:30 AM · #16

I hope i am not hijacking the thread.

Just wanted to ask doesnt Steven Segal practice Aikido and isn't it called old man's martial art or something.

Also isn't it defense centric i.e. teaches you how to avoid attack and not teach you how to attack.

BTW i love aikido's.

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10/06/2006 12:20:15 PM · #17

yeah segal does Aikido. He actually holds a pretty high rank. The movie stuff is just that, every once and a while he pulls some nice technique in a film. there are clips of him teaching at a seminar. he is very powerful and a big guy.

as for being an old mans martial art. aikido has the most women and older people practise. this is because aikido does not rely on strength. aikido uses an opponents energy against them, so the stronger an attack, the stronger the technique. aikido is about taking someones balance and control. check aikidofaq.com for some good video clips.

it is usually more of a defensive art, but that can be debated. aikido has strikes, but usually they are used to divert attention or unbalance someone rather than be devestating blows. defensive or offensive is more of a state of mind than anything else. I can decide to attack someone and as they raise their hands to defend I complete a technique. That would technically be offensive, but I used their actions to do a technique so it could also be viewed as defensive.

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10/06/2006 12:39:40 PM · #18

From what I've heard, Steven Segal actually knows his stuff and is a decent martial artists. Where as I have heard that Jean-Claude Van Damme although impressive on the TV screen is not as impressive in real life.

*shrugs*

Then of course there is Cynthia Rothrock. *lol*

10/06/2006 12:55:42 PM · #19

ive seen segals aikido, not his movie aikido but him teaching at his dojo. He knows his stuff. he gets a bum wrap from being in the publics eye all the time. with all the different syles of aikido that have developed, everyone thinks their style is the right one so he gets ridiculed. my complaint is when he teaches wearing a kung fu style gi, red top, black pants. aikido is rooted in tradition, from how you enter a dojo to what you wear to how you leave the dojo. Aikido wears a white gi w/ a blue or black hakama. Nothing flashy just traditional garb.

10/06/2006 01:31:34 PM · #20

Originally posted by theSaj:

Segal is good ,martial artist, bad actor (he once thought a stunt man he was fighting was to big so the shot the sean with him beating up a dummy) and a jerk in RL. He shot a flick in Alaska and the towns people about kicked him out, kept saying stuff like I cant wait to get out of this podunk town and being rude to them and when he bought stuff at stores using his crdit card He tried to give the clerks the sig slip so they could have his autograph, my friend the clerk insisted he keep it.

Van Damme, uses a style of Kick Boxing and was the national champ in that style in Belgium, so he is quite good, just again a bad actor.

Good actor and martial artist I would say, Bruce Lee, Jet Le, Chow Yong Fat, Don the Dragon, Chuck Norris (he is quite good).

As for iaido, I have praticed some of it, just forgot the name. My ability to remeber Japneese words seems quite poor (sorry my bad)
I will see what I can find on o'sensi, I know they trained together though....I will say he wasnt his only trainer.

10/06/2006 01:40:32 PM · #21

i couldn't find anything about them training together. Their ages are very similar, so I would doubt that one ever trained the other.

what style iaido did you train?