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10/04/2006 11:19:56 AM · #1 |
What r the negatives on selfd disqualifying your own submission?
Also!Are the any drawbacks to self disqualifying? |
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10/04/2006 11:23:02 AM · #2 |
| I have done it. It counts as 1 DQ and if you get another one within 25 challenges then you will not be able to submit for a week I think. soem are against it but to me when i did it my score was 3.8 which is way below my avg and I knew it was going to make me very angry. I amde the mistake of taking a very pretty picture and trying to make it soft focus for the soft focus challenge and it was gettgin killed. |
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10/04/2006 11:26:02 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by The Rules:
You may request removal of your own photo, for any reason, if:
# You make the request during the voting period. Requests made after the close of voting typically will not be considered.
# There has been no rules violation and you have not been asked to submit proof on your entry. If you report a rules violation on your own entry or request removal after receiving a proof request, the request will be treated as a normal disqualification.
# None of your last 25 submissions have been disqualified or removed. Remember that subsequent DQs within the next 25 submissions may incur a penalty as set forth below. |
:o)
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10/04/2006 11:29:53 AM · #4 |
| I requested a self-DQ once because I accidentally entered a shot in the wrong challenge (right before the deadline). I'm OK with a low score, but this shot might have ribboned if not for my mistake, and it was getting scores it didn't deserve because the shot was out of place. IMO self-DQs are sort of a "break glass in case of emergency" tool of last resort. You'll be kicking yourself later if you NEED to remove an entry for some reason and don't have that escape hatch available. |
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10/04/2006 11:39:56 AM · #5 |
I used one when I entered a really rubbish shot just so that my WPL team didn't have to add a 0.000 score into the average. Turns out nobody else in the team entered at all and I only entered for the WPL. I took the DQ cos I didn't like the shot one bit (it was all I had) and it was my lowest ever score.
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10/04/2006 11:42:12 AM · #6 |
I agree with Shannon. I see self DQ's as an emergency step if you make a mistake entering the wrong photo in a challenge or other type of oops.
I totally disagree with pulling a photo simply because it is scoring low, getting negative comments or you made a photoshop Fauz-Pas that you want to take back.
I am from the "Take your good and bad with equal measure and treat both imposters the same" or however that goes. I have made some serious errors in judgment like the photo below. At the time I was going for a kind of "Monet" impressionistic thing but I didn't do a good job and knew it the day after. I learned from it and..more important..that photo is just as much a reflection of my skill sets or need to improve as anything else I do.
Of course, I was never one to fret failing grades or anything either..unlike my daughter who loses hair over anything lower than a B. :-P |
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10/04/2006 11:55:17 AM · #7 |
My take? Total cop out. You're depriving yourself of comments from which you could potentially learn. I'm always amazed that people get twitchier over a drop of 1/100 of a point in their average that no one else will even notice than they do over the big pink bar across their profile page which everyone sees. If you're that worried about the drop in your average score on the profile page, then you probably need to disconnect from DPC for awhile and get back to things that actually matter. Is that harsh? Probably. But I really don't see the point since it's totally driven by vanity.
Edited to mention that Shannon's scenario is the only one acceptable to me.
Message edited by author 2006-10-04 11:56:51.
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10/04/2006 11:59:30 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
My take? Total cop out. You're depriving yourself of comments from which you could potentially learn. I'm always amazed that people get twitchier over a drop of 1/100 of a point in their average that no one else will even notice than they do over the big pink bar across their profile page which everyone sees. If you're that worried about the drop in your average score on the profile page, then you probably need to disconnect from DPC for awhile and get back to things that actually matter. Is that harsh? Probably. But I really don't see the point since it's totally driven by vanity.
Edited to mention that Shannon's scenario is the only one acceptable to me. |
the pink bar doesn't show on self DQ. and why should you submit yourself to anger at comment after comment on DMNC when you don't have to? |
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10/04/2006 12:01:01 PM · #9 |
A self DQ makes one REALLY nervous when his next entry gets a Validation Request ;-)
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10/04/2006 12:04:58 PM · #10 |
If the entry was an honest one in the first place, it shouldn't be withdrawn just because it is scoring badly. There is nothing really at stake here, except perhaps personal embarrassment.
 My lowest scoring entry is of my feet.
(Of course this isn't true for those in the meta-challenge, WPL, but the effects, if any, of WPL on DPC is another issue altogether)
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10/04/2006 12:07:09 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
the pink bar doesn't show on self DQ. and why should you submit yourself to anger at comment after comment on DMNC when you don't have to? |
It's called the live and learn process. Anger, frustration, being misunderstood..all that is just as valid as the 'atta boys, love, and being understood.
Are people here only for good feelings? That is just as bad as the constant negativity. My wife loves everything I shoot and thinks that people that give my photos 5's and lower suck ass. I can get all the positive reinforcement I need at home. I go out to get crapped on! Join the party! |
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10/04/2006 12:08:40 PM · #12 |
"Self" being the key word here. a 'Self' DQ is only Self Serving, Self Satisifing, Selfish, and in poor taste... imho.
I could see that if someone entered a shot in the wrong challenge they would want to pull that image... but shouldn't you have noticed BEFORE voting started? Double check triple check kinda thing?
Obviously if it was getting good votes... people thought it should have been in that challenge? But, 'Self' honor dictated over it to pull.
Its a challenge site. Win some lose some, and your not allowed to pull your 'lowest' submission just because its low. If that was the case no one would have any images because there is always a lowest image.
it is amazing how 'self'absorbed people are where they can not leave the slightest blimish to show an imperfection... so people know we are all Human.... it is sad, very sad. But its 'Our' world and how 'We' made it.
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10/04/2006 12:14:58 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
I could see that if someone entered a shot in the wrong challenge they would want to pull that image... but shouldn't you have noticed BEFORE voting started? Double check triple check kinda thing? |
Not if your cable modem chokes and you're forced to submit at 11:59pm on deadline day! |
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10/04/2006 12:16:03 PM · #14 |
My take on self dq is that it is there, so if you want to take it, go ahead, for whatever reason. That is your perogative.
Of course, I am biased. I did one self-dq a long time ago (maybe before self dq's existed). I had two shots, couldn't decide which one to enter, so I uploaded them both to separate challenges (one was correct, one was not) so I could see them both on different monitors the next day. I wouldn't have access to the different monitors except that one day, so I couldn't upload one, look, pull it, upload the other one.
Life got away from me, and the next thing I knew, I had a picture was in the totally wrong challenge. (Had a decent score, though). However, I had done "advanced" editing and it was a basic editting challenge, so it was dq'ed. (It may show, I don't know).
Then, last summer, I was in (as littlegett named it) a self-serving, self-satisfying, selfish mood, and I had my picture, so I took the liberty of withdrawing it quickly after the challenge started. The way I saw it, I was saving your, the voters, time by not making you look at such a beast.
But, I've only entered 250ish challenges, what the heck do I know? :P |
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10/04/2006 12:19:10 PM · #15 |
I'm thinking maybe I should self DQ before entering in most instances. :-)
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10/04/2006 12:19:49 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I'm thinking maybe I should self DQ before entering in most instances. :-) |
that's usually the route I should take as well. :/ |
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10/04/2006 12:22:45 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
the pink bar doesn't show on self DQ. and why should you submit yourself to anger at comment after comment on DMNC when you don't have to? |
It's called the live and learn process. Anger, frustration, being misunderstood..all that is just as valid as the 'atta boys, love, and being understood.
Are people here only for good feelings? That is just as bad as the constant negativity. My wife loves everything I shoot and thinks that people that give my photos 5's and lower suck ass. I can get all the positive reinforcement I need at home. I go out to get crapped on! Join the party! |
anyone that looks at my portfollio will see lots of low scoring shots. as a matter of fact I have two in the 4's right now and am not that upset about it. I get low scores all the time. my self DQ was not so much about the scores but that I obvioslly didn't get the whole soft focus thing and I dind't want 5 mroe days worth of people telling me that i didn't get it. I already had sat through that once with this photo.
it is motion blur using the zoom technique but I got a low socre including 61 votes of less than 4. I was so angry that i almost left the site, not because of the score but because people assumed wrongly that there was no blur. so when it started to happen again i pulled the plug for my peace of mind. maybe it is self serving but Many things in life are self serving. if you ahve ever posted a photo then you are being self serving. you want people to notice you and your work. there is nothing wrong with that.
Edit to add: i think that one reason that the self DQ's don't show in your profile is because so many people feel so strongly about it that they look down at those that do it. oh and yea I am again being self serving showing my photo in this thread beacuse I love it and I am a self server (hey it has gotten me this far):P
Message edited by author 2006-10-04 12:28:09. |
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10/04/2006 12:23:13 PM · #18 |
Self DQ because you uploaded the wrong image or to the wrong challenge is fine, but self DQ'ing just because of a low score is a cop out and I can't agree with it. If you don't like the image, don't submit it. If you do like it, the score shouldn't matter.
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10/04/2006 12:28:57 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I'm thinking maybe I should self DQ before entering in most instances. :-) |
These days, I self-DQ before I even take the photo!!
I come up with an idea for a challenge, visualize the end result, and feel confident that it would look great.
Then I remind myself that it would get me another lousy score on DPC, and I don't bother :-( |
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10/04/2006 12:47:58 PM · #20 |
I am just baffled by the concern anyone would have over a low score or negative comments.
I have been in art related studies all my life. My mom worked at a fine art institute and all her friends were sculpters and painters. I got a lot of positive feedback from them but I also learned to take criticism at an adult level from the age of 8 or so.
I learned very early on..that the act of creation is where the satisfaction comes from. No self respecting artist reflects back on work they have done and thinks it is wonderful generally. Of course they can appreciate the various points of a finsished work but..most artists (photographers in this case) are all about the discovery and creation..the next big "kill" or "Mountain".
So it is with DPC..Once I enter it is done. The finished photo becomes one with the cosmos or some other such BS. It is what it is. No amount of criticism or praise will ever alter the path I took to get to the finished photo or the result. Discussion of the photo is all that is left..and any discussion is good..not just polite clapping.
So...I guess I just will never get the Self DQ. Sure..I understand it from an adult understanding people saying something in writing. I just don't understand it from a photographers point of view. :-/
Message edited by author 2006-10-04 12:49:28. |
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10/04/2006 01:08:09 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by hokie:
I am just baffled by the concern anyone would have over a low score or negative comments.
I have been in art related studies all my life. My mom worked at a fine art institute and all her friends were sculpters and painters. I got a lot of positive feedback from them but I also learned to take criticism at an adult level from the age of 8 or so.
I learned very early on..that the act of creation is where the satisfaction comes from. No self respecting artist reflects back on work they have done and thinks it is wonderful generally. Of course they can appreciate the various points of a finsished work but..most artists (photographers in this case) are all about the discovery and creation..the next big "kill" or "Mountain".
So it is with DPC..Once I enter it is done. The finished photo becomes one with the cosmos or some other such BS. It is what it is. No amount of criticism or praise will ever alter the path I took to get to the finished photo or the result. Discussion of the photo is all that is left..and any discussion is good..not just polite clapping.
So...I guess I just will never get the Self DQ. Sure..I understand it from an adult understanding people saying something in writing. I just don't understand it from a photographers point of view. :-/ |
what he said.
i asked for one self-DQ, and got it. there was nothing wrong with the image; i was drunk and submited an image i should have never made public. the sc kindly took it off the server completely. that's the self-dq is for - fixing grievous mistakes, not giving up on a poor score.
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10/04/2006 01:11:54 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by hokie:
So it is with DPC..Once I enter it is done. The finished photo becomes one with the cosmos or some other such BS. |
You remind me of Jerry Garcia's explanation of why the Grateful Dead always allowed the crowd of "tapers" to record and distribute bootlegs of their concerts: "Once we've played the notes we're finished with them." |
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10/04/2006 01:11:54 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by xianart:
what he said.
i asked for one self-DQ, and got it. there was nothing wrong with the image; i was drunk and submited an image i should have never made public. the sc kindly took it off the server completely. that's the self-dq is for - fixing grievous mistakes, not giving up on a poor score. |
I'm sorry but I don't see being drunk as a better reason than not wanting to sit through something painfull to you. some people care about scores more than others why does that make those that don't care about them better? everyone has thier reasons why can't others respect those without talking down to them?
Message edited by author 2006-10-04 13:13:12. |
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10/04/2006 01:14:07 PM · #24 |
Just for sake of argument, scores could mean more than just the photographer is affected.
For instance, I took a self-DQ in Purple because it was tanking and I didn't want the model to think it was because of her. She often checks my portfolio, just to look around.
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10/04/2006 01:17:19 PM · #25 |
We've also had requests where the model changed their mind about the photo being posted, and asked the photographer to remove it.
Note though, that regardless of everyone's individual criteria for what constitutes a "valid" justification for a self-DQ, the rules do not require any reason at all. |
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