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09/27/2006 06:17:21 PM · #1 |
Quick question for those of you who vote on challenges a lot... what do you do if the photo submitted has nothing to do with the challenge? Do you simply skip voting on it, vote a '1' on it, or vote it normally as if it did fit the challenge?
I only ask because I have seen quite a few challenges lately with photos in it that are not relevant to the challenge. I know that everyone sees this sort of thing differently but in some cases there is no possible way one could logically or artistically justify it. I know first hand as my first submission to this site (few years ago) was a case of this... not relevant other than the comment I gave the photo.
So I am not really complaining that people do this (again, I was guilty of it once) but asking what others so. A great example is the Rain II challenge that we are voting on now... there are some really good pictures that have nothing to do with the challenge so I voted a 1 on them and feel like crap doing it because I hate to send 'corrupt' feedback to the artist simply because they didnt stick to the topic. |
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09/27/2006 06:26:50 PM · #2 |
You give it a 1, leave a comment saying it is DNMC (does not meet challenge), get some nasty private messages, get ragged on for your average vote periodically in the forums, read about how the photographer is just more clever than you and it probably isn't dnmc in the first place, vote as a baghead for a few challenges, take the bag off, keep giving dnmc's 1's but stop leaving comments.
Think that about covers it.
Message edited by author 2006-09-27 18:27:39. |
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09/27/2006 06:30:04 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Physics_Guru:
Quick question for those of you who vote on challenges a lot... what do you do if the photo submitted has nothing to do with the challenge? Do you simply skip voting on it, vote a '1' on it, or vote it normally as if it did fit the challenge?
I only ask because I have seen quite a few challenges lately with photos in it that are not relevant to the challenge. I know that everyone sees this sort of thing differently but in some cases there is no possible way one could logically or artistically justify it. I know first hand as my first submission to this site (few years ago) was a case of this... not relevant other than the comment I gave the photo.
So I am not really complaining that people do this (again, I was guilty of it once) but asking what others so. A great example is the Rain II challenge that we are voting on now... there are some really good pictures that have nothing to do with the challenge so I voted a 1 on them and feel like crap doing it because I hate to send 'corrupt' feedback to the artist simply because they didnt stick to the topic. |
For me, anything that is DNMC gets a base vote of 3. It can earn a 4 if it's an otherwise outstanding photo, and a 2 if it's not even good. 1 is reserved for sheer idiocy, those in bad taste, and those obviously gunning for the brown.
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09/27/2006 06:42:42 PM · #4 |
| You are free to attach your own degree of importance to that component of the score. Personally, I find there are very few photos submitted which really bear no relevancy to the challenge topic, if you think about it enough. Most voters seem to spend only a few seconds looking at the average photo, which may not be enough time to appreciate its relevancy ... |
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09/27/2006 06:51:56 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You are free to attach your own degree of importance to that component of the score. Personally, I find there are very few photos submitted which really bear no relevancy to the challenge topic, if you think about it enough. Most voters seem to spend only a few seconds looking at the average photo, which may not be enough time to appreciate its relevancy ... |
This is true. If I'm unsure if something meets the challenge or not, I give it the benefit of the doubt (but my uncertainty will probably be reflected in my vote). It's very rare that I vote anything less than a 4.
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09/27/2006 07:04:17 PM · #6 |
| I find I'm a bit harder on images in a challenge where there is a clear technical aspect to the challenge (such as leading lines) versus challenges that involve interpretations of emotions or other subjective matters. |
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09/28/2006 02:44:30 AM · #7 |
I'd mark the photo on its merits, and then deduct a certain number of points for not meeting the challenge. I apply similar criteria to small photos, if I can make out enough of them to give a value.
I think that some people try deliberately to squeeze the theme, but others just don't understand them, maybe because of language issues or something.
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09/28/2006 03:06:16 AM · #8 |
I'm usually on the fence.
if I find a photo that is submitted to ridiculously "squeeze" itself to fit a challenge topic, I usually won't hesitate to vote it VERY LOW; regardless or not Ansell Adams was behind the camera. It's like submitting MonaLisa to an Abstract macro challenge.
if I find an attempt to think different (or out of the box, as some call it), I vote it as meeting the challenge, and probably even higher for being unique.
understand that my judgement may or may not be correct at times, but this is my account, my vote, so I don't think it is wrong.
Message edited by author 2006-09-28 03:16:43. |
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09/28/2006 03:35:05 AM · #9 |
From me, a DNMC pic can never get more than a 5, and in that case it has to be creative and well executed. Usually I give a 3. In cases, where only the title makes the image meet the challenge, I'm often drawn to give less. I only give 1s to images a blind could have made as well.
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09/28/2006 04:25:46 AM · #10 |
Challenge theme is relevant to the extent that it is a broad outline. I don't consider it a primary element for voting high or low, most all pictures make the attempt to address the theme in some way. Some capture the essence of a challenge better than others. The obvious shoehorn entrys usually have great sense of humor about them and are not so far from any other contrived or set up kind of picture. Does not meet the challenge is basically an excuse used for voting a picture low because you don't like it or probably don't fully understand or may have not considered all the possible ways a picture can address a theme.
I vote usually between 3 and 8, with some exceptional work garnering higher. Like everyone else I try to keep an open mind, and hope for stimulating and visually rewarding experiences. I think more important than "does not meet the challenge" are other evaluations, such as technical recording & edit; consideration of cliché & stereotype; and the most subjective of all - an attempt to fully understand one's own personal reaction. |
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09/28/2006 05:23:24 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
You give it a 1, leave a comment saying it is DNMC (does not meet challenge), get some nasty private messages, get ragged on for your average vote periodically in the forums, read about how the photographer is just more clever than you and it probably isn't dnmc in the first place, vote as a baghead for a few challenges, take the bag off, keep giving dnmc's 1's but stop leaving comments.
Think that about covers it. |
Hey. How'd you figure all of that out in the 10 weeks or so you've been here? ;^)
My thoughts on this well-worn subject. The challenge theme/subject is an assignment. Most get it right with their vision making some connection, while there are usually some that, for whatever reason, just plain miss it.
The ones that bother me the most are entries that try to shoehorn into the challenge with some long clever title, where only the title meets the challenge. Many times it's a beautiful landscape (sunset, etc...) or bug macro that by itself is interesting to look at and well captured, but is wedged into a totally unrelated challenge because the photographer really, really wants to use it somehow. Heck, I'm probably guilty of this myself a time or two over 180 challenges. :D
What really amazes me the most is how some people here can find some extremely liberal way of justifying just about ANY entry. Example, an orange (fruit) placed on a white background is submitted for a challenge with the theme of 'Color Blue'. The "justifiers" will give it a 5 because the lighting was very good, or maybe a 6 because they love eating oranges, or better yet because this entry was so unique it gets an 8 for creativity.
Such an interesting place this DPChallenge is. Thank goodness - puts a smile on many faces every day for sure. ;^) |
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09/28/2006 05:58:47 AM · #12 |
If I don't think a photograph doesn't meet the challeng, I just vote 1 point below what I would normally have voted of the photograph if it had met the challenge. Reason for this is that there have been occasions where I missed the photographer's link, and in hind sight realised it may well have met the challenge.
I'm really here for fun. Politics are not my thing, I don't think. Besides, I enjoy seing some brilliant shots taken by some seriously over achievers on this site.
BTW, I'm on the DNMC receiving end in one of the current challenges and expect to be in contention for brown..... I still like the shot, had fun doing it, thinks it meets challenge, and that's what counts for me.
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