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09/25/2006 11:57:18 PM · #26
Which one? The ability to print half inch larger prints or the ability to forgo cleaning the sensor once every year?
09/26/2006 05:43:51 AM · #27
Originally posted by KevinG:

But there is no reason to give consumers the upgrades the pros need and the consumers don't. Anti-Dust sensor on a consumer cam and not on the pro cam? 10 MP on the consumer cam and not the pro cam? If the pro's don't need the upgrades then who does?


It's probably about marketing vs reliability... The 1 series body is the best canon can do for the pro user. They're not about to try out the anti-dust thing in a 1 series body without having 200,000 units of a cheaper unit out there first, likewise with other features.

09/26/2006 07:53:26 AM · #28
My question is what will the "40D", or whatever their new release is do for the price of the 30D?
09/26/2006 10:01:17 AM · #29
Originally posted by KevinG:

it is full frame in regards to the sensor size of the 30D. It is obviously not as big of a view as a film camera - but very few DSLRS are full frame sensors - so for the most part when talking about DSLRS, the 30D has a full frame viewfinder unlike the XT and XTi.


NO it's NOT full frame. The viewfinder covers 95% of the area of a 1.6x crop sensor with a 0.9x magnification in the 30D, 95% with a 0.8x magnification in the 350XT and 400D. So the view in the 30D is slightly bigger than in the 350XT and 400D but nowhere close to the 5D and 1Ds II and 35mm film SLR's

The only full frame DSLR's are the Canon 5D and 1Ds II. The 5D viewfinder covers 95% of the frame with a 0.7x Magnification and the 1Ds II covers 100% with a 0.7x magnification.
09/26/2006 10:39:43 AM · #30
Originally posted by doctornick:

Originally posted by KevinG:

it is full frame in regards to the sensor size of the 30D. It is obviously not as big of a view as a film camera - but very few DSLRS are full frame sensors - so for the most part when talking about DSLRS, the 30D has a full frame viewfinder unlike the XT and XTi.


NO it's NOT full frame. The viewfinder covers 95% of the area of a 1.6x crop sensor with a 0.9x magnification in the 30D, 95% with a 0.8x magnification in the 350XT and 400D. So the view in the 30D is slightly bigger than in the 350XT and 400D but nowhere close to the 5D and 1Ds II and 35mm film SLR's

The only full frame DSLR's are the Canon 5D and 1Ds II. The 5D viewfinder covers 95% of the frame with a 0.7x Magnification and the 1Ds II covers 100% with a 0.7x magnification.


.1x must be a lot because when I look in both side to side there is a rather large difference. 95% is practically 100% - 95 seems to be the industry standard and the increase in magnification definately makes a huge difference.

Thats the whole thing here - the XT and XTi viewfindes are like looking down a dark tunnel. The 30D has the larger viewfinder and it is also brighter.
09/28/2006 10:15:49 AM · #31
Man I thought for sure Canon would come out with thte 40D this week at Photokina.

I can't imagine anyone buying a 30D since the release of the Rebel XTi (400D) and its 10MP sensor. So basically there's a void between the Rebel XTi and the 5D, IMHO.


09/28/2006 10:21:28 AM · #32
Originally posted by scarbrd:

I can't imagine anyone buying a 30D since the release of the Rebel XTi (400D)


Seeing how prevalent this opinion is here in the forums, Canon should gather up their marketing department, march them out to the nearest wall and open fire.
09/28/2006 10:24:54 AM · #33
Originally posted by scarbrd:

Man I thought for sure Canon would come out with thte 40D this week at Photokina.

I can't imagine anyone buying a 30D since the release of the Rebel XTi (400D) and its 10MP sensor. So basically there's a void between the Rebel XTi and the 5D, IMHO.


Because of a couple of megapixels (on a sensor that's no bigger) and a dust thingy that'll probably save you blowing into your camera with an air rocket every six months?

The 30D still has better construction, a larger viewfinder, spot metering, greater rated shutter life and better fps. Yes, they could maybe bolt those extra add-ons in, but I still think it's the better camera of the two.
09/28/2006 10:26:39 AM · #34
Originally posted by routerguy666:

Originally posted by scarbrd:

I can't imagine anyone buying a 30D since the release of the Rebel XTi (400D)


Seeing how prevalent this opinion is here in the forums, Canon should gather up their marketing department, march them out to the nearest wall and open fire.


Technically, they've done a good job of marketing the XTi. Everyone thinks that dust control is the best thing since sliced bread, and the higher headline MP figure is clearly winning the day where it's meant to.

The only thing that they've done wrong seems to be to have shot themeselves in the foot with positioning of the models.
09/28/2006 10:38:39 AM · #35
Originally posted by routerguy666:

Which one? The ability to print half inch larger prints or the ability to forgo cleaning the sensor once every year?


The dust...and maybe you're a studio photographer who never changes his lens. And once a year works for you.

But I am often shooting in less lovely environments. And dust has been a major problem. I've had my 20D in for repairs 4 times and they list cleaning it. And I've had dust problems.

I change my lenses quickly and safely as possible. But if you're shooting outside. Well, it opens the door for dust. Frankly, it's POOR design in my opinion. Give a little "shutter" that closes while changing the lens or something. Or a sensor dust removal system.

But yes, this is the reason why I will not buy another Canon until they release a semi-pro body with dust removal.
09/28/2006 10:46:43 AM · #36
Originally posted by mist:


Because of a couple of megapixels (on a sensor that's no bigger) and a dust thingy that'll probably save you blowing into your camera with an air rocket every six months?


If it were only six months. And if using an air rocket actually resolved the dust issue every time. Then maybe I wouldn't care.

But from my experience, and the experience of quite a few others...it doesn't.

And as I already own a 20D. The only features of significance that I saw was spot metering (something that should have always been on the 20D) and a larger 2.5" view screen.

In other words, Canon !@#$% big time with the 30D. As far as I am concerned, and I believe most people agree. The 30D should simply have been the 20D II or 20Dn.

Had they done that, they could come out with a 40D upgraded to all the specs of the XTi. Now, they've put themselves in a bind where they either come out with a 40D after only a few months of the 30D being on the street.

At least with the 20D/XT debate, the 20D surpassed or was equivalent to all the XT features except body weight. The XT was clearly a cheaper build consumer version of the 20D.

That's not the case anymore. It's like me trying to sell you a Corvette but pointing out that the Camaro is actually faster, more fuel efficient, and has a bigger engine.

IMHO, Canon shot themselves in the foot with this one. And I had a feeling as soon as I saw the 30D specs that they'd done so.

My guess, they can try to salvage it by dropping the 40D from the future and introducing a new naming convention. But that'd only add confusion.

Message edited by author 2006-09-28 10:48:28.
09/28/2006 10:52:30 AM · #37
Originally posted by theSaj:

Originally posted by mist:


Because of a couple of megapixels (on a sensor that's no bigger) and a dust thingy that'll probably save you blowing into your camera with an air rocket every six months?


If it were only six months. And if using an air rocket actually resolved the dust issue every time. Then maybe I wouldn't care.

But from my experience, and the experience of quite a few others...it doesn't.

And as I already own a 20D. The only features of significance that I saw was spot metering (something that should have always been on the 20D) and a larger 2.5" view screen.

In other words, Canon !@#$% big time with the 30D. As far as I am concerned, and I believe most people agree. The 30D should simply have been the 20D II or 20Dn.

Had they done that, they could come out with a 40D upgraded to all the specs of the XTi. Now, they've put themselves in a bind where they either come out with a 40D after only a few months of the 30D being on the street.

At least with the 20D/XT debate, the 20D surpassed or was equivalent to all the XT features except body weight. The XT was clearly a cheaper build consumer version of the 20D.

That's not the case anymore. It's like me trying to sell you a Corvette but pointing out that the Camaro is actually faster, more fuel efficient, and has a bigger engine.

IMHO, Canon shot themselves in the foot with this one. And I had a feeling as soon as I saw the 30D specs that they'd done so.

My guess, they can try to salvage it by dropping the 40D from the future and introducing a new naming convention. But that'd only add confusion.


AND 8MP to 10MP is a big difference, 25% more. The 6MP to 8MP on the same size sensor seemed to make a huge difference. 8 to 10 is almost as big a jump.
10/12/2006 04:02:19 PM · #38
I know this thread is old and I've been out in the web reading rumor after rumor--but just wanted to see if anyone has read or heard anything new or has updated input?
10/12/2006 04:08:59 PM · #39
Originally posted by justine:

I know this thread is old and I've been out in the web reading rumor after rumor--but just wanted to see if anyone has read or heard anything new or has updated input?


I was wondering the same thing last night. Hopefully we don't have to wait another 6 months to hear of new toys!
10/12/2006 04:09:08 PM · #40
Originally posted by justine:

I know this thread is old and I've been out in the web reading rumor after rumor--but just wanted to see if anyone has read or heard anything new or has updated input?


No, and I search daily!
10/12/2006 04:10:48 PM · #41
Thanks guys. That makes me feel better because I have my own search going and I wanted to be sure I wasn't missing the forest. :)
10/12/2006 04:11:38 PM · #42
Originally posted by Tajhad:

In the light of the recent releases of the Canon eso 400D and the Pentax K10D I cant wait to see what Canon will release in the form of a 40D camera (if there will be such a thing).
A lot of thought seems to have gone into these consumer based cameras – offering incredible features and value that it makes me think that canon will have to come up with something pretty special to attract the in between market. Especially the Pentax offering – offering a weatherproof body – one of the reasons that people saw as the need to pay that bit extra for a 30D. I think this will be enough to attract many more people to the Pentax camp.
Considering the change from the 20D to the 30D was fairly minor – I think they may have to think fairly deeply to keep this end of the market. They need something for the mid range of the market as the 5D is twice the price
Heres what I think they will have to come up with (what do you think ?)
- 10 or 12 megapixal
- Weatherproofing solid body
- A sensor dust removing sensor
- Shake reduction (probably unlikely considering the IS lenses)
- 5 spf
- Spot metreing

Anything else ?


FULL FRIKKING FRAME CENSOR MAN!!!!!

Message edited by author 2006-10-12 16:12:08.
10/12/2006 04:26:28 PM · #43
No news is good news...perhaps only for the wallet. *lol*
10/12/2006 05:09:22 PM · #44
Originally posted by renefunk:


FULL FRIKKING FRAME CENSOR MAN!!!!!


They already have that, it's called the 5D.

I wouldn't hold out hope for a full frame replacement for the 20D/30D. Canon is pretty commited to the EF-S line of lenses that only work on smaller sensors.
10/12/2006 05:36:12 PM · #45
Search on dpreview.com for Paul Pope.

And from history the release date will probably be february 2007.
10/12/2006 05:43:41 PM · #46
UNless they design a new chip for the 10mp 40D, Ill be sticking with the 20D. No sense in switching, if they use the same chip but squeeze more MP into it. After cropping, itll just got back down anyways lol.

Thats a big reason I havent bought a 5D yet, they havent redesigned the chip... just packed 12MP into the same size sensor as that of the 20D, even though its FF
10/12/2006 05:49:26 PM · #47
Originally posted by jmlelii:


Thats a big reason I havent bought a 5D yet, they havent redesigned the chip... just packed 12MP into the same size sensor as that of the 20D, even though its FF


Umm, your gonna have to explain a bit. The 5D sensor is 36x24mm. The 20D sensor is 22.5x15mm.
10/12/2006 06:00:43 PM · #48
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by jmlelii:


Thats a big reason I havent bought a 5D yet, they havent redesigned the chip... just packed 12MP into the same size sensor as that of the 20D, even though its FF


Umm, your gonna have to explain a bit. The 5D sensor is 36x24mm. The 20D sensor is 22.5x15mm.


I think he means the sensors have the same density, only the 5D sensor is phyically larger.

Right?
10/12/2006 06:04:10 PM · #49
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by jmlelii:


Thats a big reason I havent bought a 5D yet, they havent redesigned the chip... just packed 12MP into the same size sensor as that of the 20D, even though its FF


Umm, your gonna have to explain a bit. The 5D sensor is 36x24mm. The 20D sensor is 22.5x15mm.


I was thinking the same thing. when I clean my 30d and 5d the 5d sensor is way bigger.
10/12/2006 06:09:13 PM · #50
Go Nikon and put aside all this bickering.... ;-P
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