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09/13/2006 11:33:24 AM · #26 |
Not that it means anything, but here's something to ponder:
A print is a replica of a capture of a moment in time, the moment itself presumably being non-duplicatable. Any scans made will probably just be a copy.
Contrast that of course to a digital file.
A song is a song.
If I hear a song on the radio and I hum it while walking to the 7-11, have I just infringed copyright?
What about if I sing a few bars of a song in class while I am teaching and the kids think its funny. I'm indirectly profiting off of this usage AND I'm using it as a performance.
Just stirring the pot a bit ;) |
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09/13/2006 11:53:22 AM · #27 |
fast forward a couple decades (or less)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Personal Assistant Lawers (PALS) have now topped the 4 Billion mark as U.S. Citizens can no longer be without one in their daily lives. PALS CEO Dewey Cheatem said in a recent intervew "The American public can longer function in the real world without legal representation in every decision they make. This comes from years of companies having so many rules and regulations and products having legal disclaimers that it became more financially sound to have a PAL with you, thus avoiding ending up being involved in lawsuits every month."
Message edited by author 2006-09-13 12:06:43. |
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09/13/2006 12:33:50 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Phone companies charge up to $3 to download a song as a ringtone. |
This is the part I find unethical. It's rediculous that companies will charge you this amount and make it nearly impossible for you to put you own music on your phone. Palm based phones it's airly easy, but other phone can be a pain. Big Business.. BLEH! |
just for the record, I work for a cell phone company and we make a very small part of that $3. if you buy a memory card from us and put your own ringtones on there we will make more than you downloading a dozen or more tones. the cell companys offer those because the public wants them. sure they make money from them but the copyright holder makes the majority (which they should) do I think it is too high? sure I wish it was less (I wish everything was less) but the record companys are setting those prices along with the third party compnay that is offering them. don't forget that they have overhead and R&D costs as well. Also you wouldn't believe how much people download. the nubmer is really incedible and as long as people keep paying for it then the prices won't come down.
I would recommned that when you look to buy your next phone then look for one that can use memory cards and when putting your own ringtones on your phone use clips not the whole song. some phones take a while to load the entire song before they start ringing which can make you miss some calls.
Message edited by author 2006-09-13 12:36:06. |
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09/13/2006 12:35:41 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by BradP:
fast forward a couple decades (or less)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Personal Assistant Lawers (PALS) have now topped the 4 Billion mark as U.S. Citizens can no longer be without one in their daily lives. PALS CEO Dewey Cheatem said in a recent intervew "The American public can longer function in the real world without legal representation in every decision they make. This comes from years of companies having so many rules and regulations and products having legal disclaimers that it became more financially sound to have a PAL with you, thus avoiding ending up being involved in lawsuits every month." |
Well.... As a legal marketing expert, my opportunities should expand!!! woo hoo!
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09/13/2006 12:41:48 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by neophyte:
Originally posted by BradP:
fast forward a couple decades (or less)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Personal Assistant Lawers (PALS) have now topped the 4 Billion mark as U.S. Citizens can no longer be without one in their daily lives. PALS CEO Dewey Cheatem said in a recent intervew "The American public can longer function in the real world without legal representation in every decision they make. This comes from years of companies having so many rules and regulations and products having legal disclaimers that it became more financially sound to have a PAL with you, thus avoiding ending up being involved in lawsuits every month." |
Well.... As a legal marketing expert, my opportunities should expand!!! woo hoo! |
Doing litigations support and document management, mine should too!!!
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09/13/2006 01:18:24 PM · #31 |
I purchased nearly 70 ringtones. At the time if anything happened you were re-credited (had to re-download them though).
The end result is I was never given a license for those downloads, no proof of purchase, and then the cell phone company changed it's policy.
The result, I lost a $100 in investment.
Was it legal, probably. Was it ethical....sure as hell not.
Frankly, I've been tempted to download just to be sued. Because I've got enough gripes against RIAA.
Message edited by author 2006-09-13 13:35:16. |
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09/13/2006 01:22:48 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
I purchased nearly 70 ringtones. At the time if anything happened you were re-credited (had to re-download them though).
The end result is I was never given a license for those downloads, no proof of purchase, and then the cell phone company changed it's policy.
The result, I lost a $100 in investment.
Was it legal, probably. Was it ethical....sure as hell not.
Frankly, I've been tempted to download just to be sued. Because I've got enough gripes. |
If you bought a cd and you car burned up with it in it, the car company will not give you a new cd. the cell company pays for all your downloads regardless if they charged you or not. if they gave everyone free ringontes over and over again then the rates would go way up on everything the sell. |
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09/13/2006 01:41:45 PM · #33 |
"If you bought a cd and you car burned up with it in it, the car company will not give you a new cd."
Don't expect it too. But what I do expect is to be able to get a replacement hard-copy for the manufacturing, shipping and handling cost.
BTW...if your house burns down, you can in fact get a new Windows disc. Totally legal. It's owning the license that is important.
You see, the record company plays both sides of the fence and meets their obligations in neither.
"The cell company pays for all your downloads regardless if they charged you or not. if they gave everyone free ringontes over and over again then the rates would go way up on everything the sell."
Not asking for free ring tones. Just the ones I have already paid for. Nor am I asking for free air time for download. But what you say is further a croc of dung, because that same cell company is exactly the one who has disabled the phone from allowing me to remove and back up my ring tones.
In fact, as I already owned many of those songs I should have been able to simply transfer the medium per fair use. That said, my new phone does in deed allow me to use music for which I have already purchased licenses as it allows me to access the storage and use MP3 or WMA files.
RIAA has been stealing music from me for years.
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09/13/2006 01:53:30 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
"The cell company pays for all your downloads regardless if they charged you or not. if they gave everyone free ringontes over and over again then the rates would go way up on everything the sell."
Not asking for free ring tones. Just the ones I have already paid for. Nor am I asking for free air time for download. But what you say is further a croc of dung, because that same cell company is exactly the one who has disabled the phone from allowing me to remove and back up my ring tones.
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"a croc of dung"? first of all they make it so you can't remove the downloaded ringtone because of the agreement with the record company. and if they let you down load the ringtone again then it is costing them money. If you sell someone a print and they mess it up are you going to give them a new one? If your cellphone company disabled OBEX then that is a shame just go to one that doesn't, they are out there.
Calling someone's statement of fact a croc of dung is uncalled for.
Also don't mistake a sound business choice for being unetical. the company may ahve wanted to give you your ringtones back but it just doesn't make sense from a business stand point. if you make a website for someone and they destroy all the backups a nd the server crashes and it is gone. you would want to make it for them again but doing it for free just doesn't make sense.
Message edited by author 2006-09-13 13:57:18. |
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09/17/2006 01:59:11 PM · #35 |
Well when all is said and done...I own about 800 songs from CD purchase and legal downloads. With Freeware software that allows me to load MP3's to my LG phone to the ringtone folder, I now consider myself to have 800 ringtones for my personal use.
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