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09/21/2006 02:12:09 PM · #151 |
Is there red in orange? How much? Orange pigment or orange light? Is there red in white?
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09/21/2006 03:08:13 PM · #152 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Throw in one colorblind person and see if the definition of red is still the same. |
Red is not defined by perception, it is defined by certain wavelengths of light. |
The colorblind person does not see the wavelengths, the colorblind person is only able to see and describe what he has become accustomed to in his life. Pretty much like having blinders on and not recognizing others points of view. |
They still see the wavelengths, they just can't discriminate between them.
I recognize them, I just don't accept them.
Message edited by author 2006-09-21 15:13:47. |
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09/21/2006 03:12:00 PM · #153 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Is there red in orange? How much? |
Maybe.
Originally posted by posthumous:
Orange pigment or orange light? |
Regardless, the perception is made based on which wavelengths are reflected and that is light. If there is no light, is there color?
Originally posted by posthumous:
Is there red in white? |
Yes. |
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09/22/2006 06:22:04 PM · #154 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by BradP:
I you really get bored and have an hour to kill and want to sit at your
computer instead of watching TV, watch this video online:
//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4194796183168750014&hl=en
It's a lot of footage and Enginering & Physics professors & experts trying to uncover the World Trade Center building collapses. In a nutshell, they all concur it was a pre-planned, controlled demolition, and were physically impossible to collapse upon themselves, in their own footprints, at the free-fall speed that they did. Interestingly enough, World Trade Center building #7, which only had minor fires on two floors, also collapsed in the same manner. They also state that never in recorded history before or after 9/11, has a steel frame building ever collapsed due to fire, many burning at temperatures far higher than the WTC fires, yet fire was the underlying cause in the official report as to why the WTC buildings came down. No mentions of the violent subterranian explosions that happened seconds before the planes hit, yet were recorded on seismographs by a University.
The sites were very quickly cleaned up instead of a long, drawn-out reconstruction like they normally do. Even one of the planes wasn't bothered to be re-constructed for analysis. Much of the steel from the WTC buildings was "conveniently" reduced in the collapse to nice tidy 30 foot sections that were easily and quickly whisked away. Smoke plumes were seen in slow-motion videos playbacks poofing the smoke & debris horizontally outward from the buildings, during and before the collapsing floors. The theory that is officially been recorded is the pancake theory, which is one floor, collapsing down on another and another, etc. yet to man's best efforts, cannot even come close to being
replicated. If that were the truth, it would have taken 40-60 seconds to level each of the WTC buildings, not 8-10 seconds, at free fall speed, as they did. Also something interesting is that a considerable amount of more money was spent investigation Clinton, that was spent on the WTC investigation supposedly.
Wonderful huh?
In my own conclusion of it now, I agree this was a planned demolition, and our government knew about it, allow it, and possibly orchestrated some of it in order to gain support of a nation when the US went to war in retaliation.
I was gonna' stand up and sing "I'm proud to be an American...God Bless the USA", but think I'll pass... |
I haven't seen that one but if it's anything like the hack job that was Loose Change I'll be sorely disappointed. Let me ask you since you have watch it. Do they have audio recordings of a bunch of bombs going off BEFORE the tower started to fall?
If you do a google search for demolitions you can see videos of actual demolition jobs and one thing that is common in every one is a string of bombs goes off before the building even begins to fall and the sounds of the bombs going off can be heard from a great distance. Also, if you notice in controlled demolitions bombs are placed THROUGHOUT the building including ground level and to my knowledge there has been no proof shown that occurred at WTC. The only evidence Loose Change tries to pawn off as demolition bombs is flashes that they point to as the building is already coming down and they are all located way up the building where the top part is coming down. If WTC was a demolition job it was done unlike any other demolition job before it.
Also ask yourself, knowing this administration and all of it's screwups and whatnot how in the world would they pull off something like this so flawlessly? Just think of the logistics of putting something like this together and THEN keeping all those people quiet. Not only would this administration have to be involve but so would every level on down including the maintenance crews at WTC because surely they couldn't risk having their preparation discovered before 9/11. Is that really believable? If so how in the world could they not keep people like Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neill, Joseph Wilson, etc quiet but are able to keep everyone else quiet that knew about 9/11?
Edited for spelling. |
Here is another video.
911 Mysteries
I think it's done much better than Loose Change. And it does talk about the blasts heard beforehand as well as the explosions in the basement. None of these videos are going to be perfect, but neither is anything you get from the media. It also talks about some very specific evidence pointing to demolition that I have not seen in other videos.
I want, more than anything, for someone to logically explain the discrepancies in the 911 story in terms I can understand. And trust me, I'm no dummy! I try to research opposing points regarding these planned demolition theories and I end up feeling like I'm being lied to or condescended to. It certainly doesn't help when the evidence of such a gargantuan crime is either destroyed or hidden from the public.
Just because it's hard to comprehend how or why a group of people can keep such a huge secret doesn't make it impossible. There are plenty of such things being kept from the public; and have been throughout history. Blackmail, threat of death and tremendous financial gain are motivations that the general public doesn't generally relate to; but they are all very effective methods of keeping people silent. Besides that, it's also quite possible to "leak" things that seem incriminating for the sake of assuring the public that people can't keep secrets.
There have been lots of "leaks" that contradict the offical story, but they were abruptly silenced, and continue to be. I find it suprising that we choose to ignore so many eyewitness accounts from credible people, simply because we cannot comprehend how Americans could do this to each other. The motivations that they suggest at the end were quite eye-opening for me; especially with my experience in construction and remediation.
If you do decide to open up and watch these videos, I'd love to hear your take on what they say. I'm curious why so many people are so willing to accept that, which a few "leaders" (who have proven themselves to be liars) force upon us, without demanding more public research.
Message edited by author 2006-09-23 14:32:24. |
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09/23/2006 03:55:39 PM · #155 |
What I am amazed at, is the lack of people questioning this and simply taking the word of the "official" reports.
So many things have been said, like pulling WTC7, meaning let it go or drop it, then is recanted to mean pull the firemen - uh huh - right. That building was so conveniently demolished, housing some of the most sensitive and incriminating papers around. WTC7 could have burned for 5 days in a never-ending fire, and still had a framework stand.
MIT couldn't make the twin towers or #7 come down they way they did unless it was intended to by means of controlled demolition.
I live in the mechanical world. Mechanical engineering & thermodynamics is my background. Constants, laws of gravity, structures and failures, all have something in common. They follow the laws of nature and cannot be changed unless an outside action is put into effect. Metal cannot melt under a given temperature. Gravity and free fall speed cannot be changed unless resistance of some form is put in it's way. The twin towers fell at free fall speed, basically saying there was no resistance in it's way down. The design and strength of the structure says that there was. Take one floor, instanly remove it supports and let it fall to the floor below - about 1/2 second takes place. Compound the effect of the double mass now on the floor just hit by the floor above it and let it drop - another 1/2 seocnd goes by. Eventually so much mass in motion, adding the force of the accumulated mass of the pile coming down and the resistance to stopping it by the floors below it drops off rapidly and the whole domino effect does speed up, but as MIT engineering professors (and others) calculated, the structures should have taken around 30 seconds or more to hit bottom, not the 8-10 seconds taht it did. Only way that could happen is the same way we have seen time & again on television, when a building is dropped intentionally.
WTC7 is very disturbing, perhaps more so than the twin towers.
Structurally stronger, yet dropped like a house of cards.
Yeah, I may come across and an other conspiracy lunatic to some, and frankly don't care, I know what I believe, based on mechanical facts, not videos. Videos can easily omit things or distort things to sway what people think.
There is a whole heck of a lot more going on here that we, the public has been made to believe. I suggest more people question things, than accept what we are told. Our government and it's clandestine organizations have proved time & again that we should.
What's the worst that could happen by questioning things?? |
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09/23/2006 04:11:19 PM · #156 |
Originally posted by BradP:
What's the worst that could happen by questioning things?? |
The guys in the black ninja suits carrying automatic weapons could kick down your door at 3AM and you'd be drugged, then taken to a nameless detention facility in an undisclosed Eastern European country where you'd be tortured... ahem, interrogated, until you confessed to your thought-crimes. |
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09/23/2006 04:14:04 PM · #157 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by BradP:
What's the worst that could happen by questioning things?? |
The guys in the black ninja suits carrying automatic weapons could kick down your door at 3AM and you'd be drugged, then taken to a nameless detention facility in an undisclosed Eastern European country where you'd be tortured... ahem, interrogated, until you confessed to your thought-crimes. |
Dang, that was just what I was going to post ten seconds ago until I saw this ... : )
Even posting something like that here is likely to garner a small notation in your FBI file. |
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09/23/2006 04:17:56 PM · #158 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by BradP:
What's the worst that could happen by questioning things?? |
The guys in the black ninja suits carrying automatic weapons could kick down your door at 3AM and you'd be drugged, then taken to a nameless detention facility in an undisclosed Eastern European country where you'd be tortured... ahem, interrogated, until you confessed to your thought-crimes. |
Cool - can I take my camera?
At least I'll go down kicking & screaming, knowing that no one had enough mind control over me to buy a Nikon eh - I mean believe what they wanted me to believe. |
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09/23/2006 05:27:45 PM · #159 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by BradP:
What's the worst that could happen by questioning things?? |
The guys in the black ninja suits carrying automatic weapons could kick down your door at 3AM and you'd be drugged, then taken to a nameless detention facility in an undisclosed Eastern European country where you'd be tortured... ahem, interrogated, until you confessed to your thought-crimes. |
Dang, that was just what I was going to post ten seconds ago until I saw this ... : )
Even posting something like that here is likely to garner a small notation in your FBI file. |
Sadly, I fear that my FBI file is loaded with such small notations. I do think about it a lot; and often wonder how much controversy one would have to stir up in order to get their attention. I suppose taking these risks is a way of serving my country. I have been able to convince many people to take a closer look at the 911 story and question the veracity of it. Some are open-minded and have made their own assesments of the information. Others seem to be lost causes and choose to accept the incredible instead of the obvious. What amazes me most is that very few people I talk to seem to be aware of, or concerned about, the fact that most of the evidence was promptly disposed of.
If I ever go missing; be assured that I am NOT suicidal and have no reason to disappear. |
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10/07/2006 02:56:11 PM · #160 |
Hope the following links show another sides of explanation to that horrible event (911) far from the main stream of mass media.
I hope one day the real "TRUTH" comes out of those thick layers of clouds and show itself to all of us who seek it in our generation and the next ones.
//www.nineeleven.co.uk
//www.walden3.org/press.htm
//reopen911.org/pictures_and_videos.htm
//reopen911.org/index.htm
//reopen911.org/hiddenhand.htm
//septembereleventh.org/documents/rodgwtcpdf.pdf
//www.911dossier.co.uk/911first.html
//www.911review.com/,
//www.911truth.org/
//www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm
//www.waronfreedom.org/newrels.html
Originally posted by metatate:
I laid in bed last night and my wife and I discussed why I hate 9-11 ... allow me to share this with my fellow DPCr's. Please remember this is my OPINION and we all have those so if you don't care , don't read -- RANT.
Let me also preface this by saying that I'm hoping I'm not a hypocrite by broadcasting my feelings about this but i just have some thoughts that i thought some might appreciate.
1: Saudis: To this day I haven't heard a decent explaination why everyone seems to ignore that the majority of the people that performed this act were Saudis. I'm not saying that terror groups outside of Saudi Arabia weren't involved -- but we jumped through hoops to TRY to find a link to IRAQ and really never found one -- but the Saudis seem like an underinvestigated link to me.
2: Politics: Why is 9-11 used by politicians as a motivation to fight and to invade privacies ... not to mention torture? ... Ok I mentioned torture. To me this hurts more deeply than almost anything - We talk about honoring the victims but in the same breath we instill fear ... to me this insults our intelligence as citizens of this country.
3: The World didn't change that day: Some people like to claim that the world changed that day. And for many individuals it did - but as a country and a planet - life is the same. To say that these terrorists changed the world is like honoring them with something that they don't deserve. People in some middle-eastern and African countries have experienced a life-time with many events that could be considered the level of carnage America saw that day.
4: Dividing not Uniting: Finally, I hope and pray that we as people can be more accepting and understanding of others rather than generalizing about religions and lifestyles. It seems to me that 9-11 united Americans but divided us in many ways from other places in the world. I personally am going to make an effort try to do my part to Unite and understand rather than divide we as people in my life and I hope others can do the same.
i hope to not start a flame-fest with this and I probably am not the first person to bring up this topic -- but this is my rant. thanks. |
Message edited by author 2006-10-10 04:42:37. |
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