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09/06/2006 05:24:22 PM · #51 |
If you really want to do some good firearms training you could start with drawing and double-tapping(I think thats what you call it), do that a couple of thousand times or until you wake up doing it in your bedroom at night. It's pretty easy to make pulling your gun and fireing a reflex if you have the time and ammo. It takes a long time and constant practise to learn how to effectivly handle a firearm.
After that you could do as spazmo99 said and practise under stress, I think running is pretty effective.
I don't really know what you mean with akward positions.
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09/06/2006 05:52:18 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by xantangummi: If you really want to do some good firearms training you could start with drawing and double-tapping(I think thats what you call it), do that a couple of thousand times or until you wake up doing it in your bedroom at night. It's pretty easy to make pulling your gun and fireing a reflex if you have the time and ammo. It takes a long time and constant practise to learn how to effectivly handle a firearm.
After that you could do as spazmo99 said and practise under stress, I think running is pretty effective.
I don't really know what you mean with akward positions. |
Firearms training begins with "muscle memory", or understanding how to pull the trigger without changing your POI (point of aim). It takes hours and hours of dry-fire (empty) shooting at a wall. When you develop muscle memory, it lets you operate the weapon under great stress.
The next part is to get out of the range. Proper Firearms Training does not mean going to the range daily. It means attending courses like the famous Thunder Ranch, as well as others. These courses have rooms and scenarios set up.
Another form of training is competition. the IDPA and IPSC are two leagues in which you compete to simulate an everyday self defense scenario- drawing from awkward positions, in a house setup, and identifying a threat.
Many police officers are required to simply pass a yearly or six-month test in which they have to score a certain rating on a basic target. Few officers have the devotion necessary to develop complete muscle memory. It's a sad fact, but less that 20% of shots fired by police officers actually hit their target.
I don't advocate grabbing a gun and carrying it. I advocate being aware of your surroundings, training properly, and trying to avoid confrontation until you have no choice.
If you want something with less commitment, note that mace (pepper spray) is not always effective within the 21-foot "safety zone". Fox Labs is an excellent manufacturer, however, and has shown some good stopping ability with minimal training or committment.
Message edited by author 2006-09-06 17:53:24. |
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09/06/2006 06:01:51 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by xantangummi: If you really want to do some good firearms training you could start with drawing and double-tapping(I think thats what you call it), do that a couple of thousand times or until you wake up doing it in your bedroom at night. It's pretty easy to make pulling your gun and fireing a reflex if you have the time and ammo. It takes a long time and constant practise to learn how to effectivly handle a firearm.
After that you could do as spazmo99 said and practise under stress, I think running is pretty effective.
I don't really know what you mean with akward positions. |
By under stress, I mean situations where targets pop up from behind barricades and the shooter must move to and fire from different stations and in different situations. Similar to IDPA and IPSC.
By awkward positions, I mean positions other than the standard weaver stance. One handed, to the side, laying down etc. Chances are that if you decide that you need to draw your weapon, you won't have time to get into a firm 2 handed stance and carefully aim your weapon. |
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09/06/2006 06:07:09 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Vapor63: Originally posted by xantangummi: If you really want to do some good firearms training you could start with drawing and double-tapping(I think thats what you call it), do that a couple of thousand times or until you wake up doing it in your bedroom at night. It's pretty easy to make pulling your gun and fireing a reflex if you have the time and ammo. It takes a long time and constant practise to learn how to effectivly handle a firearm.
After that you could do as spazmo99 said and practise under stress, I think running is pretty effective.
I don't really know what you mean with akward positions. |
Firearms training begins with "muscle memory", or understanding how to pull the trigger without changing your POI (point of aim). It takes hours and hours of dry-fire (empty) shooting at a wall. When you develop muscle memory, it lets you operate the weapon under great stress.
The next part is to get out of the range. Proper Firearms Training does not mean going to the range daily. It means attending courses like the famous Thunder Ranch, as well as others. These courses have rooms and scenarios set up.
Another form of training is competition. the IDPA and IPSC are two leagues in which you compete to simulate an everyday self defense scenario- drawing from awkward positions, in a house setup, and identifying a threat.
Many police officers are required to simply pass a yearly or six-month test in which they have to score a certain rating on a basic target. Few officers have the devotion necessary to develop complete muscle memory. It's a sad fact, but less that 20% of shots fired by police officers actually hit their target.
I don't advocate grabbing a gun and carrying it. I advocate being aware of your surroundings, training properly, and trying to avoid confrontation until you have no choice.
If you want something with less commitment, note that mace (pepper spray) is not always effective within the 21-foot "safety zone". Fox Labs is an excellent manufacturer, however, and has shown some good stopping ability with minimal training or committment. |
Exactly. I think the key point you make is the commitment to keeping shooting skills tuned up. It's a serious commitment, if you are going to carry a loaded firearm in public, you have an obligation to stay on top of your skills using that weapon. Too many people take the minimum training, pop off a few rounds at the range every now and then and keep a loaded weapon within arm's reach while they are out and about. In my mind, that's an accident waiting to happen. |
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09/07/2006 02:24:41 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
By under stress, I mean situations where targets pop up from behind barricades and the shooter must move to and fire from different stations and in different situations. Similar to IDPA and IPSC.
By awkward positions, I mean positions other than the standard weaver stance. One handed, to the side, laying down etc. Chances are that if you decide that you need to draw your weapon, you won't have time to get into a firm 2 handed stance and carefully aim your weapon. |
Yes, I see what you mean. I totally missunderstood what you meant by stress and akward positions, I was thinking more about a high pulse.
Although I never would carry a gun in public I think all kinds of firearms training and combat in built-up areas training is really fun and a good way to get exercise, I recommend everyone who is interested in firearms to try some kind of mout training but it's better to leave the guns at home when you go to work.
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09/07/2006 02:34:09 AM · #56 |
Thanks, moniepenny. It's good of you to want to share what seems like good advice. However, I thought this looked familiar, and I found it again on Snopes.com. Bookmark this site - it's the best urban legend research site I've found. I have yet to go looking for something sent to me that they don't already have.
Their research says that some of this is good advice and some of it really isn't. I'm not in a position to know, but I suggest that everyone read it.
//www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/ninetips.asp
Edited to make the link live.
Message edited by author 2006-09-07 08:41:32. |
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10/09/2006 12:05:11 AM · #57 |
I have a friend who was held up by a group of "cops" with guns and no name tags. It happend at night and she was alone so she couldn't scream for help or make a scene. They wanted her to pay them $500. She ended up just giving them her phone, but that's after they interrogated her for her full name, where she lived, etc. Luckily they let her go and didn't rape or kidnap her. I'm trying to convince her to report it to the police, but she's scared if they're corrupt cops, they will find out go after her. Who has any advice? |
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10/09/2006 08:02:56 AM · #58 |
I'm so glad my country does not allow citizens to carry guns.. I also think it should be pointed out that this thread might be better with the title "safety tips for people" rather than "safety tips for women". |
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10/09/2006 08:47:35 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by cicada: I have a friend who was held up by a group of "cops" with guns and no name tags. It happend at night and she was alone so she couldn't scream for help or make a scene. They wanted her to pay them $500. She ended up just giving them her phone, but that's after they interrogated her for her full name, where she lived, etc. Luckily they let her go and didn't rape or kidnap her. I'm trying to convince her to report it to the police, but she's scared if they're corrupt cops, they will find out go after her. Who has any advice? |
Report the incident!!!! |
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10/09/2006 08:57:20 AM · #60 |
3. If you are ever thrown
into the trunk of a car,
kick out the back tail lights
and stick your arm out the hole
and start waving like crazy.
The driver won't see you,
but everybody else will.
This has saved lives.
Some cars have tail lights that you can take the nuts off with your fingers. Most new cars these days have safty release cables that will get you out of the trunk.(timeing would be key) Look for the glow in the dark handle. |
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10/09/2006 09:26:35 AM · #61 |
//crimexposouthafrica.org/... interesting, don't know how much of what will protect anyone once the social fibre of your country starts rotting away. |
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