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09/05/2006 06:08:08 PM · #1 |
I finally held one these today. All I can say is, dammmnnnn, I really need one of these.
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09/05/2006 06:15:44 PM · #2 |
| I took of the battery grip from my 350D yesterday and it felt so smaaaall. |
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09/05/2006 06:24:24 PM · #3 |
why did they make the xt so small
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09/05/2006 06:30:50 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by rami:
why did they make the xt so small |
Because computer geeks avec little weak hands and nimble little elvish fingers. Just kidding. |
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09/05/2006 06:33:19 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by rami:
why did they make the xt so small |
reduces materials, because they can? Japanese tech-> smaller=better
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09/05/2006 06:35:41 PM · #6 |
| I have one and am sorry to tell you that it is BADASS! |
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09/05/2006 06:43:45 PM · #7 |
Some day, one of you guys will hold a D200. On that day I will buy you a new pair of pants, because your current pair will be thoroughly crapped.
But for now, I'm sure the 5D seems nice. Just wait 'till you lose your D200 virginity.
:-P |
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09/05/2006 06:50:20 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by rami:
why did they make the xt so small |
Well that's a matter of opinion. I held one of them in my tiny hands and wondered whether I'd ever be able to cope with a dSLR because it felt so BIG. They have to cater for everyone and if it means that us little people are confined to lesser cameras, at least there's something we can use.
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09/05/2006 07:06:06 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Vapor63:
Some day, one of you guys will hold a D200. On that day I will buy you a new pair of pants, because your current pair will be thoroughly crapped.
But for now, I'm sure the 5D seems nice. Just wait 'till you lose your D200 virginity.
:-P |
How many pairs of underwear do you go through anway? All that pant crapping whenever you do anything to do with cameras? :p |
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09/05/2006 07:08:11 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Originally posted by Vapor63:
Some day, one of you guys will hold a D200. On that day I will buy you a new pair of pants, because your current pair will be thoroughly crapped.
But for now, I'm sure the 5D seems nice. Just wait 'till you lose your D200 virginity.
:-P |
How many pairs of underwear do you go through anway? All that pant crapping whenever you do anything to do with cameras? :p |
Yeah, at this point most camera shops refuse to let me handle the equipment. |
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09/05/2006 07:27:59 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Vapor63:
Some day, one of you guys will hold a D200. On that day I will buy you a new pair of pants, because your current pair will be thoroughly crapped.
But for now, I'm sure the 5D seems nice. Just wait 'till you lose your D200 virginity.
:-P |
I held the D200 today also. It has a nice weight and feel. But, I have to much money wrapped up in Canon glass to go changing manufactures now.
They didn't have a 5D out in the display so I asked if they could get one out. The guy seemed a little reluctant to but did. Then I asked him if he could put a 17-40 on it and a charged battery in it. He looked at me like I was stupid and then I guess he thought he might lose a sale if he refused and done it. Finally I asked him the price on it and he said $3299. I told him thanks but no thanks, I could get it $300 cheaper at B&H. I did buy a new foamy neck strap that holds CF cards in it though.
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09/05/2006 07:37:39 PM · #12 |
5d and canon 15 fish would be soo sweet for skate. /drools.
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09/05/2006 07:53:06 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
I finally held one these today. All I can say is, dammmnnnn, I really need one of these. |
I've shot about 250 images with my new 5d over the past two days. The resolution is beyond my expectations. Color capture is just as I saw it with my eyes. I also bought the "L" series lens Canon 24-105mm f/4L IS USM. A great combo! I can't wait until the weather cooperates. In the Rockies, we are on the verge of fall colors and the annual elk rut. Unlimited landscape and wildlife photo opps. I finally have in my hands the equipment to do justice to the scenery.
Will accelerate my computer upgrade to allow faster processing of the images. We are always dragged into the future... |
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09/05/2006 07:53:34 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
I told him thanks but no thanks, I could get it $300 cheaper at B&H. I did buy a new foamy neck strap that holds CF cards in it though. |
It's stuff like this that's putting all the local camera stores out of business. Sure, it's a little more money, but if you can afford $3k for a piece of equipment for a hobby, chances are you can pay a little extra to support the store?
I don't have a local camera store, and when I asked about a 17-40 at the closest one (Durango), he just said "nope, that's pro glass, we don't carry them". I would be willing to pay the 10% extra to support the shop, but if they don't at least ask if I'd like to order one and work out a price I won't bother. |
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09/05/2006 08:01:33 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
I told him thanks but no thanks, I could get it $300 cheaper at B&H. I did buy a new foamy neck strap that holds CF cards in it though. |
It's stuff like this that's putting all the local camera stores out of business. Sure, it's a little more money, but if you can afford $3k for a piece of equipment for a hobby, chances are you can pay a little extra to support the store?
I don't have a local camera store, and when I asked about a 17-40 at the closest one (Durango), he just said "nope, that's pro glass, we don't carry them". I would be willing to pay the 10% extra to support the shop, but if they don't at least ask if I'd like to order one and work out a price I won't bother. |
Why support a local shop if they run your wallet dry? Sure, if the price difference is $30, in some cases $50, or even in the extreme $80, go for it. You save shipping, and they let you try it out.
But if they can't stay in business, they don't deserve to. A $300 hike is rediculous unless we talking a house or new car. All you do by paying the extra 10% is encourage your local shop to try and rip people off.
My local shop, for instance, only sells cameras for MSRP. The douche bag owner claims that's the 'best price he can offer'. Well the best price I can offer to him in that instance is my middle finger. The guy is charging way more than he should and people who don't research like us camera nuts buy into his bullshit. That's slimey, despite it equaling a "10% price hike". |
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09/05/2006 08:17:07 PM · #16 |
Do you know the costs involved in running a small business? Most of them can barely afford to stay open, and they can't price anything lower than their price plus the percentage they need to pay the employees, insurance, building rental, utilities, advertising, money lost from shoplifting, depreciating values of hardware, etc.
They don't want to rip people off, but a lot of times they just can't price anything lower without losing money. I worked for a small computer shop that was like that; we made hardly any money on sales because we couldn't price stuff as low as BB/Walmart, and the only reason it stayed open was because of the service work we did for the customers, which was good enough to make them come back. And then even the service work went down and it had to close, partly because everyone would rather upgrade their computer and give the broken, crappy one to their kid than get it fixed. |
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09/05/2006 08:22:09 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Vapor63:
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
I told him thanks but no thanks, I could get it $300 cheaper at B&H. I did buy a new foamy neck strap that holds CF cards in it though. |
It's stuff like this that's putting all the local camera stores out of business. Sure, it's a little more money, but if you can afford $3k for a piece of equipment for a hobby, chances are you can pay a little extra to support the store?
I don't have a local camera store, and when I asked about a 17-40 at the closest one (Durango), he just said "nope, that's pro glass, we don't carry them". I would be willing to pay the 10% extra to support the shop, but if they don't at least ask if I'd like to order one and work out a price I won't bother. |
Why support a local shop if they run your wallet dry? Sure, if the price difference is $30, in some cases $50, or even in the extreme $80, go for it. You save shipping, and they let you try it out.
But if they can't stay in business, they don't deserve to. A $300 hike is rediculous unless we talking a house or new car. All you do by paying the extra 10% is encourage your local shop to try and rip people off.
My local shop, for instance, only sells cameras for MSRP. The douche bag owner claims that's the 'best price he can offer'. Well the best price I can offer to him in that instance is my middle finger. The guy is charging way more than he should and people who don't research like us camera nuts buy into his bullshit. That's slimey, despite it equaling a "10% price hike". |
I don't mind paying more to mom and pop but I don't like overpriced major chains |
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09/05/2006 08:28:57 PM · #18 |
| I just bought a 24-105 at a local store, only becasue they matched the price I found a 5 (reputable) retailers online. It was more with tax that online, but at least with lenses since Canons QC isn't always the greatest now I have the piece of mind that I don't have to deal with returning via mailorder. I can just go to the store and try out another copy. |
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09/05/2006 08:29:41 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Do you know the costs involved in running a small business? Most of them can barely afford to stay open, and they can't price anything lower than their price plus the percentage they need to pay the employees, insurance, building rental, utilities, advertising, money lost from shoplifting, depreciating values of hardware, etc.
They don't want to rip people off, but a lot of times they just can't price anything lower without losing money. I worked for a small computer shop that was like that; we made hardly any money on sales because we couldn't price stuff as low as BB/Walmart, and the only reason it stayed open was because of the service work we did for the customers, which was good enough to make them come back. And then even the service work went down and it had to close, partly because everyone would rather upgrade their computer and give the broken, crappy one to their kid than get it fixed. |
Why should we keep a company in business if it cannot survive? The market is constantly changing. Sure, it's sad to know that small computer shops are closing down. Personally, if I have a problem, I order the part off of Newegg and fix it myself. With computers, I would argue that the lack of immediate service is good; it may force the younger growing generation to learn something about computers for a change. Many of the younger generation have no clue that their hard drive and memory are two seperate entities.
Camera shops also do not face the same challenges of a computer shop. Computers work as an array of many, cheap parts. Camera's and lenses are, and always will be expensive chunks of metal and glass. You cannot buy and install a new processor for your camera (at least not normally), nor would any normal person have the clean room and equipment necessary to open up their lens and replace/clean elements.
On top of that, many consumers are entering the digital camera/DSLR market. They want to handle the camera and have a seemingly knowledgeable talking head convince them to drop 2k on a fancy camera for them to tote around and gather impressed looks. The market is constantly growing! And your average consumer does not want to bother with online research and purchasing when the local shop has a buncha fancy crap on display.
Camera shops have their place in the market for now, and I always visit them before making a purchase. I even call around to gather prices. Sometimes, however, camera shops feel entitled to rip consumers off. Camera shop Bob doesn't necessarily deserve my money more than Amazon merchant Steve. In fact, most Amazon.com merchants, whom I buy my equipment from, have both an established store front and an online store. |
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09/05/2006 11:52:19 PM · #20 |
Just so you know, it was Porters Camera. They have 3 stores. One in Cedar Rapids Iowa and two in Cedar Falls Iowa. Plus they have an online store that charges just as much as their walk-ins. They are just trying to make an extra buck at someone elses expense. I'm sure their attitude is "if your willing to pay it, we'll sell it to ya." They can meet B&H prices if they wanted too. If they are having a hard time, it's their own damn fault. I never had any intentions of buying from them to begin with. I just wanted to play with it a bit.
Message edited by author 2006-09-05 23:54:03.
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09/06/2006 01:05:23 AM · #21 |
I agree that many camera stores have customer relation problems or simply do not run themselves well enough to justify the extra expense.
But....
Penn camera in the Washington D.C area charges about 5% more than a B&H and they earn it. Incredibly easy to work with, has the equipment there to show and tell, carries the full line, experienced photographers who are used to selling to professionals and amatuers alike.
I will drive 3 hours to visit them over buying on the internet. I would take a train to B&H to choose gear they may carry. I don't like buying pro level gear without examining and handling it first. 5D's and L lenses qualify as pro-level to me :-D |
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09/06/2006 01:09:08 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by hokie:
I agree that many camera stores have customer relation problems or simply do not run themselves well enough to justify the extra expense.
But....
Penn camera in the Washington D.C area charges about 5% more than a B&H and they earn it. Incredibly easy to work with, has the equipment there to show and tell, carries the full line, experienced photographers who are used to selling to professionals and amatuers alike.
I will drive 3 hours to visit them over buying on the internet. I would take a train to B&H to choose gear they may carry. I don't like buying pro level gear without examining and handling it first. 5D's and L lenses qualify as pro-level to me :-D |
I have been both impressed and put off by the service of Penn Camera. They do run a good shop, however, and I have purchased several pieces of equipment from them. Their price hikes are nowhere near 10% over online prices however, at least in my experience, and when they do charge way more than online I tell them. Sometimes they cut a deal, and that makes me very willing to shop with them in the future. |
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09/06/2006 01:12:42 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
They can meet B&H prices if they wanted too. |
I wouldn't be so sure. B&H is huge... have you ever seen their printed catalog? I swear, the thing weighs 5 pounds.
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
If they are having a hard time, it's their own damn fault. I never had any intentions of buying from them to begin with. I just wanted to play with it a bit. |
I don't agree with that. You walked in and used their inventory and their time for free. It wasn't free to them. But you treated it as if it were.
Pretty soon all of the local shops will just go away and all that will be left will be the online stores. Then how will you walk up to the counter and handle your merchandise? Who will answer your questions then?
I'm not against the internet. I buy my camera bodies (four dSLR's now) locally, and I buy almost all of my lenses and other gear over the internet. But basically ... if I feel the need to ask the store to let me see and play with it first, then I feel obligated to give them my business (assuming they have earned it).
Message edited by author 2006-09-06 01:13:14.
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