Soft Focus II Results Recalculated

08/30/2006 01:18:47 PM · #4

Sadly, there will always be those who try to cheat their way through life :(

SDW

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

08/30/2006 01:41:47 PM · #5

Maybe DPChallenge needs to do what Istock and other similar sites do before you can join. That is, take a small test to see if you have read the rules. If you pass the test then you can join. If you fail the test you have to go back and re-read the rules and take the test again no sooner than 24-hours.

bfox2

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/30/2006 01:50:59 PM · #6

Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:

^^ I like that

mist

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/30/2006 01:53:03 PM · #7

Maybe they do need a quiz, but I can't see it helping.

You already have to tick a box to say that you agree to the rules each time you submit a photo, I can't see what difference a load more boxes will make on joining, except to make it less likely that decent, honest people will join.

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

08/30/2006 01:57:06 PM · #8

Seems like there is a process in place to catch them and it seems to be working well enough.

TommyMoe21

Canon EOS-7D Mark II

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/30/2006 01:59:12 PM · #9

How about a one time $5.oo fee to register?

klstover

Panasonic DMC-FZ8

08/30/2006 02:05:45 PM · #10

It would probably be very worth an extra $5 per account for people who really wanted to cheat.

08/30/2006 02:05:53 PM · #11

Originally posted by TommyMoe21:

How about a one time $5.oo fee to register?

I like the idea of making people do more than just sign up.

If not charge then limit their ability to vote till after 2 weeks or force spam on them by making 'em sign up for all these Viagra E-mails :-D

klstover

Panasonic DMC-FZ8

08/30/2006 02:08:36 PM · #12

Originally posted by hokie:

I like the idea of making people do more than just sign up.

If not charge then

More than just sign up, maybe. I would hope that it would not involve a charge as I know I wouldn't have joined if I had to pay to do so. Most people, I would think, don't join right away as a paid member, which means that people either don't want to spend the money or want to wait until they know that they like the site before becoming a member. And even though $5 seems like nothing, I think it would deter a lot of (honest) people from being part of the site.

fotomann_forever

08/30/2006 02:08:54 PM · #13

Nothing is gonna stop people from cheating. Any efforts just makes it harder for legit new users to come aboard.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

08/30/2006 02:09:53 PM · #14

I think registration is required on this site to use/access DPCPrints - isn't it? Don't think many are going to pony up $5 for that.

08/30/2006 02:12:51 PM · #15

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Nothing is gonna stop people from cheating. Any efforts just makes it harder for legit new users to come aboard.

I agree about making the site accessable to those who want to try it before you buy it.

Maybe make it so you can surf the site, participate in forums and enter open challenges but not vote for free or get portfolio space.

$5.00 buys you voting privileges and a beginner portfolio room.

Full membership you get the whole package.

Message edited by author 2006-08-30 14:19:35.

08/30/2006 02:14:17 PM · #16

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Nothing is gonna stop people from cheating. Any efforts just makes it harder for legit new users to come aboard.

That is not true...there are lots of ways that you can keep em from cheating. But the will power has to be there.

I have said for a long time that if you made voting non-anonymous that would end the cheating right there.

Message edited by author 2006-08-30 14:15:01.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

08/30/2006 02:18:40 PM · #17

Interesting numbers regarding registered users here - as an FYI.

49082 total members (combined member/registered)

47 registered yesterday (8/29/2006)
36 registered so far today (8/30/2006 2:15PM)

mist

Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux M Aspherical MF - Black

08/30/2006 02:19:13 PM · #18

The voting already is non-anonymous to the site mods, if they need to investigate it. Also the speed in which the DQs happen lend me to think that there is at least some automation involved in picking out such things, so the processes are already there.

I very much doubt that anything involving increased charges is a palatable and decent solution to a cheating "problem", the two things simply aren't exclusive.

Charging for various options just makes the site as a whole less accessible for new users and poorer people. It doesn't do anything about cheaters, who are not necessarily in either of those sets.

fotomann_forever

08/30/2006 02:20:22 PM · #19

Originally posted by hokie:

I have said for a long time that if you made voting non-anonymous that would end the cheating right there.

Oh... ok... you gave me a 1. I PM you because you are my buddy and surely didn't mean to vote MY photo so low. I ask you to please change your vote. :-) Hmmm...

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

08/30/2006 02:20:22 PM · #20

Originally posted by hokie:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Nothing is gonna stop people from cheating. Any efforts just makes it harder for legit new users to come aboard.

That is not true...there are lots of ways that you can keep em from cheating. But the will power has to be there.

I have said for a long time that if you made voting non-anonymous that would end the cheating right there.

It's not totally anonymous. The people who need to see who made the votes can see them, and it still doesn't stop people.

scarbrd

Leica M10

08/30/2006 02:20:35 PM · #21

One issue I see is that the DPC statement about multiple accounts is not in the user agreement (not that I can find, anyway). It is in the editing rules.

In Advanced editing under the section called "Challenge Voting" at the end you'll find this:

A person may only hold one DP Challenge account and may submit only one photograph per challenge. A user will not be able to vote on his or her own entry.

When I first joined I didn't understand the Exclusive Open challenges meant mutually exclusive. I've seen other new members with the same confusion. I read through the user agreement and found nothing that prevented you from having a member registered account and a non-member account. So I set up a second account because I had gone out and shot for both challenges that week.

After about 2 days I was "found out" since I wasn't really doing anything to hide the fact and the SC canceled my second account.

I reread all the user agreement and still could not find any language that forbids this. I then found it in the editing rules.

My point is, for new members at least, this can be result of overzealousness in wanting to participate. Now that I've been here a while I completely understand why multiple accounts are forbidden, and well they should be.

I do recommend that the language about multiple accounts such should be in the user agreements.

My 2 cents.

08/30/2006 02:22:14 PM · #22

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by hokie:

I have said for a long time that if you made voting non-anonymous that would end the cheating right there.

Oh... ok... you gave me a 1. I PM you because you are my buddy and surely didn't mean to vote MY photo so low. I ask you to please change your vote. :-) Hmmm...

The voting is anonymous DURING the voting...but after the voting you can see who voted what.

If people were openly accountable for their votes it would be a good thing I think.

Message edited by author 2006-08-30 14:22:44.

fotomann_forever

08/30/2006 02:27:41 PM · #23

Originally posted by hokie:

The voting is anonymous DURING the voting...but after the voting you can see who voted what.

If people were openly accountable for their votes it would be a good thing I think.

Originally posted by HBunch:

It's not totally anonymous. The people who need to see who made the votes can see them, and it still doesn't stop people.

While I think your idea has good intention. I see it as only causing trouble. Fights would break out because a certain user gives 1's out frequently or a certain user gives all nudes votes of 10.

I agree with Heather, the right people know who votes what.

FocusPoint

XIAOMI Redmi Note 8 Pro

08/30/2006 02:31:51 PM · #24

I think I can stop this madness.

Personal application only. No more over the Internet sign-up. You have to go to Langdon's home, give your finger print, he will keep the fingerprint database. Each time you vote, you must enter your finger print (a copy)... if there are two fingerprints matches, you will be sent to middle-east to wash camels.

Now, if you still continue cheating, you will have to spend a week in a barn, full of cheese. If you still continue... well, I don't know, after all that camel washing, cheese smelling, we'd think you wouldn't cheat anymore, but I have a last punishment of calculating all the votes for each challenge since the beginning... by hand, not with calculator. Each time you finish, you will have to recalculate because of the other cheaters, and vote changes.

Good idea or what? :P

*Crowd cheers, applauses here*

mist