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08/18/2006 03:42:38 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by mk:
Ursula, let's go make out. ;) |
I heard that! :-D |
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08/18/2006 03:49:26 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by ergo:
Originally posted by deapee:
I could personally care less what anyone thinks. |
The phrase is: "I could NOT personally care less what anyone thinks."
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Grammatical nitpick:
It should be "I, personally, could not care less."
or "Personally, I could not care less."
And on with the show ;-)
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08/18/2006 03:49:48 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by ursula:
... they were essentially saying that the guy didn't deserve a blue ribbon... |
Well you just made him feel a tad worse for clarifying it!
Originally posted by ursula:
... to say that someone is "very lucky to get" the ribbon is just not right. It's disrespectful not only to the photographer, but also to the voters... |
Why separate the two? And anyway it's ultimately a competition so it should be taken into context. It's not war.
Originally posted by ursula:
OK, this is the first time I ever dare to disagree with mk. I hope she doesn't hate me for it. |
Precisely the problem when you feel like saying something but are too inhibited by the fear of not being liked for it.
I have a few of points:
1. It's not disrespectful to slate something - or even a person - as long as it can be reasoned. It might however be unpleasant to do so. (I slate some of my friends for not recycling, but I still respect them in other ways.) In my view he was lucky for being at the top given the quality of images lower down. I'm truly sorry if Paul (gull) has taken my one dissenting comment to heart above all the other praise. Maybe I have a point though if I have overturned his perceptions with one 'nasty' comment vs the hundreds of 'nice' ones.
2. Respect is a privilege not a right - I cannot respect or admire another without knowing why but I will treat them with civility.
3. I have commented negatively on other 'big names'' work before, as well as positively. They've always handled it because they normally have self belief and will take or leave it. No harm intended - ever, but life can be dull if all we ever do is pat each other on the back. |
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08/18/2006 03:50:33 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by ergo:
Originally posted by deapee:
I could personally care less what anyone thinks. |
The phrase is: "I could NOT personally care less what anyone thinks."
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Grammatical nitpick:
It should be "I, personally, could not care less."
or "Personally, I could not care less."
And on with the show ;-) |
haha. you're right. mea culpa. english IS my third language :P |
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08/18/2006 03:50:54 PM · #55 |
| Just to change the tone and offer a constructive idea: We have seen a number of "ribbon winners" become DQ'd. This is really unfair to the people who deserve the ribbons in the first place. I suggest that midway through the challenge, the top ten photos at that time become validated. This would give enough time to discard images that don't deserve the ranking and notariety that they are now getting. |
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08/18/2006 04:08:01 PM · #56 |
It appears that at least one other comment has been hidden on this image as well as plenty of edited comments.
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08/18/2006 04:12:24 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by MIN-BITER:
I don't think that being 4th instead of 5th makes of you a better photographer, above all if you reach this new rank because another person cheated (and this has to be proved). If the 'cheater' hadn't played, voters would not have appreciated your picture more, that's for sure !
I'm taking part in challenges to improve my skill by getting opinions, not to get the highest mark possible or to collect as many ribbons as possible, simply because it's meaningless. All of these numbers, marks, ribbons, are for children, I think that personal improvement counts much more than admiration of other users to your rank. So... if you're a ribbon hunter, i understand your position, but if your goal is to improve yourself, questions of justice shouldn't be taken in consideration as far as YOU respect rules. |
But this IS a competition, like it or not. While it may not be important for you (obvioulsy not) to be on the front page for a week, it is important for a lot of others. Every entry that places, displaces another one. If one that places should not have due to rules violations, it prevents another one from placing. If people do not want to play this game by the rules, then maybe it's time to find another game more to their liking.
I think you are insulting the entire community here by saying the goals of the competition are childish. |
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08/18/2006 04:16:07 PM · #58 |
Also I would like to know from  Imagineer what he was referring to with this comment:
This is a relatively average, over exposed shot made 'better' by some fairly clumsy processing. Sorry, but this is the kind of editing becoming prevalent here at DPC and it's not a good thing.
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08/18/2006 04:22:02 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
Also I would like to know from Imagineer what he was referring to with this comment:
This is a relatively average, over exposed shot made 'better' by some fairly clumsy processing. Sorry, but this is the kind of editing becoming prevalent here at DPC and it's not a good thing. |
Me too, it looks like a lot of the comments have been edited.
Other than the F2.8 in the exposure info coming into question, what editing techniques that fall out of the Basic rule set are people complaining about?
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08/18/2006 04:23:02 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Originally posted by MIN-BITER:
I don't think that being 4th instead of 5th makes of you a better photographer, above all if you reach this new rank because another person cheated (and this has to be proved). If the 'cheater' hadn't played, voters would not have appreciated your picture more, that's for sure !
I'm taking part in challenges to improve my skill by getting opinions, not to get the highest mark possible or to collect as many ribbons as possible, simply because it's meaningless. All of these numbers, marks, ribbons, are for children, I think that personal improvement counts much more than admiration of other users to your rank. So... if you're a ribbon hunter, i understand your position, but if your goal is to improve yourself, questions of justice shouldn't be taken in consideration as far as YOU respect rules. |
But this IS a competition, like it or not. While it may not be important for you (obvioulsy not) to be on the front page for a week, it is important for a lot of others. Every entry that places, displaces another one. If one that places should not have due to rules violations, it prevents another one from placing. If people do not want to play this game by the rules, then maybe it's time to find another game more to their liking.
I think you are insulting the entire community here by saying the goals of the competition are childish. |
I'm here to learn and not to compare myself to other people, because i'm conscious that comparing myself to others will not make me improve at all. Comparison is not constructive to me. |
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08/18/2006 04:23:53 PM · #61 |
Sweet, I'll take the bump into the top 25 :)
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08/18/2006 04:32:16 PM · #62 |
how about just "I couldn't care less?'
obviously you mean personally, indicated by 'I'.
and now on with the show. LOL
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by ergo:
Originally posted by deapee:
I could personally care less what anyone thinks. |
The phrase is: "I could NOT personally care less what anyone thinks."
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Grammatical nitpick:
It should be "I, personally, could not care less."
or "Personally, I could not care less."
And on with the show ;-) |
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08/18/2006 04:40:46 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by deapee:
I could tell the second I saw the photo that it wasn't done in basic editing. I'd be willing to bet the 'original' isn't missing. |
Innocent until proven guilty - guess that's your motto eh? ;^)
edit to say the above comment was being sarcastic, but it may not be read correctly...so, I'll rephrase:
Guilty until proven innocent - guess that's your motto eh? ;^) |
I didn't come here to argue whether or not anyone else thinks the shot was illegally edited. I could personally care less what anyone thinks. It's really obvious to me that it was edited by some means other than what is legal in basic editing. The fact that the original disappeared leads to my conclusion that it was illegally edited.
If you're drunk and driving, you can refuse a breath test or a DUI test, but you were still driving drunk. |
You are correct that no original makes you suspicious, but I don't think you are right to say that it is "really obvious" that the editing was illegal. It's not "really obvious". |
You're entitled to disagree with me, that's fine. To me, it is definately really obvious that it was illegally edited. I would have bet any person on this entire site, heck any person in this entire world $500 the second I saw that on the front page and clicked it to see that it was basic editing, that it would be disqualified. It was and is obvious to me.
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08/18/2006 04:41:42 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by saintaugust:
how about just "I couldn't care less?'
obviously you mean personally, indicated by 'I'.
and now on with the show. LOL
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by ergo:
Originally posted by deapee:
I could personally care less what anyone thinks. |
The phrase is: "I could NOT personally care less what anyone thinks."
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Grammatical nitpick:
It should be "I, personally, could not care less."
or "Personally, I could not care less."
And on with the show ;-) |
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uhm...dude...this isn't english class. get off it.
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08/18/2006 04:42:49 PM · #65 |
Are you kidding?
Maybe when you enter your photo and check those boxes, they should actually be READ.
Since so many people go out each week and follow the rules under a deadline- that's a lesson too ... How to meet a deadline - not how to fool the system.
Same thing with the gramatical error "I could care less" ... It's people not thinking about what they are doing ... especially when writing. In this case the mistake means the exact opposite of what is intended.
Thanks for pointing that one out.
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Originally posted by MIN-BITER:
Is it really that great to win a challenge BECAUSE another pic was dqed ?? I guess that the new winner still considers owning a red, or at least it would be my case. In such situation I think that the real winner should have a warning, with all his upcoming pictures being controled instead of removing his ribbon. Rules are too rigid here ! |
Message edited by author 2006-08-18 16:51:47.
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08/18/2006 04:43:36 PM · #66 |
I love sideline subject matter experts.
I wish everyone would let the Site Council be the experts here,
as they are the ones that get to see the originals and read the steps of the PP.
Too many are too quick to judge, right or wrong.
Message edited by author 2006-08-18 16:56:26. |
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08/18/2006 04:45:10 PM · #67 |
| I don't understand how come you're all that satisfied to gain one rank, your marks (it's to say the way other users appreciated your picture) remain the same, so what's the matter with being second instead of third ??? |
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08/18/2006 04:46:23 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by MIN-BITER:
I don't understand how come you're all that satisfied to gain one rank, your marks (it's to say the way other users appreciated your picture) remain the same, so what's the matter with being second instead of third ??? |
blue is way more popular than red, D'UH! |
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08/18/2006 04:46:52 PM · #69 |
| Think peasful thoughts. :-) |
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08/18/2006 04:47:12 PM · #70 |
If you were in 4th and someone who was in 1st illegally edited their photo, you deserved 3rd in the first place. No, your overall score didn't change, but you got what you rightly deserved.
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08/18/2006 04:47:29 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Originally posted by MIN-BITER:
I don't understand how come you're all that satisfied to gain one rank, your marks (it's to say the way other users appreciated your picture) remain the same, so what's the matter with being second instead of third ??? |
blue is way more popular than red, D'UH! |
who wants my blue ?? I take a red ! |
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08/18/2006 04:47:31 PM · #72 |
My comment was removed entirely. I assume it was misunderstood.
The point I was trying to make was that we should let the review process work. |
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08/18/2006 04:49:55 PM · #73 |
Well I can honestly say I have been waiting on the announcement. Not because I wanted it DQ'ed but just looking at the picture I felt it was beyond basic editing. If it did fall within basic I would of loved to have seen the steps.
A shame because it was a good picture and a blue on his first entry.
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08/18/2006 04:55:10 PM · #74 |
edit ...
have a nice weekend.
I've gotta go find a windmill of which to take pics.
Message edited by author 2006-08-18 16:56:12. |
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08/18/2006 04:56:35 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by metatate:
I think now is a good time to say that windmills are over-used.
So:
"Windmills are Over-used"
FiRESTARTER! |
I agree, windpower is so over rated. BURN MORE COAL.
ok, back to your regularly scheduled debate...
whether the photo had illegal editing or not is irrelevant. Not being able to provide an original is a rules violation so it was rightfully DQ'd and the current ribbon winners deserve their ranking - the DQ'd shot did not.
Message edited by author 2006-08-18 16:58:43. |
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