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 08/16/2006 12:10:52 PM · #1
I submited an image, "Looking Up" for the Ground Up III challenge. Not only did everyone here think it sucked (by the voting scores, and I admit, it was not great), but I just got an email to validate the image. By no means did I violate any rules on this site, nor would I, but yet I feel like iv been accused of cheating. Let me state this, if I had cheated, the shot would be ten times better. I go to school for digital media design and we have leared photoshop extensivly, and I know my abilities are much better.

Whom ever suggest that the photo is in violation of the rules should go look at the ones that truely are, must not know much about photography or photoshop or just was bored.
 08/16/2006 12:12:29 PM · #2
I wouldn't waste time feeling insulted. People are asked to submit proof all the time. It's very common. It's just part of the process, not an accusation. Just submit your proof and move on. :)
 08/16/2006 12:12:47 PM · #3
A request for validation does not imply that anybody thinks you cheated. It simply means that someone saw a reason to suspect that there may be a problem or an issue, and you are being given a chance to validate the photo. It happens all the time and it's not personal. Chill and submit your original.
 08/16/2006 12:13:12 PM · #4
Deep breath, dude. Count to ten. I happens to us all at one time or another. It's no big deal. REALLY.
 08/16/2006 12:13:55 PM · #5
I'm wayyyy too slow, but yeah- what they said. ;-)

If you placed 5th, you'd get an automatic validation request. There is no implication of cheating.

Message edited by author 2006-08-16 12:15:22.
 08/16/2006 12:15:22 PM · #6
iv submited the image. what irks me, if it was a good photo, one that did not rank at the bottom of the list, id understand. im not a great photographer, i admit that. personally i think the image deserves the place its at, but i still feel that there is no sign of the image not complying with the rules.
 08/16/2006 12:15:58 PM · #7
Originally posted by scalvert:
I'm wayyyy too slow


We knew that... :-)
 08/16/2006 12:16:25 PM · #8
I'm guessing it's because in your comments of editing steps, the first step says duplicate layer. That's a no-no in basic editing.

I realize this has zero effect on the end result, but.....

Next time, just don't put in the duplicate layer step. It's irrelevant.
 08/16/2006 12:16:44 PM · #9
I would say I have had about 5 entries looked at. No biggie brotha think of it as a badge of honor.

ETA: Uh Oh!

Message edited by author 2006-08-16 12:19:21.
 08/16/2006 12:18:02 PM · #10
Just an observation...
You listed 'Duplicate Layer' on the image in a basic editing challenge. Since that's not legal within that rule set, that could be why you got the request.
 08/16/2006 12:18:14 PM · #11
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by scalvert:
I'm wayyyy too slow


We knew that... :-)


I don't get it... ;-P
 08/16/2006 12:22:05 PM · #12
Originally posted by shanksware:
I'm guessing it's because in your comments of editing steps, the first step says duplicate layer. That's a no-no in basic editing.

I realize this has zero effect on the end result, but.....

Next time, just don't put in the duplicate layer step. It's irrelevant.


Actually, my understanding is that you can duplicate the background layer to preserve the background as a reference copy (which I understand is actually proper editing procedure taught in graphics classes), but only in that manner, and then the bg layer has to be discarded before flattening so no layer merging actually occurs. (Please correct me on that if I'm wrong, but this is what I gathered from another thread several weeks ago.) It will always cause confusion in validation. It's just easier to save a second copy and alt-shift-tab between the two.

Looking at the photo itself, I can see where someone might think that a filter might have been selectively applied to the background.

Message edited by author 2006-08-16 12:25:13.
 08/16/2006 12:22:13 PM · #13
then you might as well DQ it now, because i duplicated the layer. I dont see how that matters in basic, its not like i selected one part, but instead the whole image.

i think an adjustment does more damage than a dup. layer.
 08/16/2006 12:24:41 PM · #14
Originally posted by steveh552:
then you might as well DQ it now, because i duplicated the layer. I dont see how that matters in basic, its not like i selected one part, but instead the whole image.

i think an adjustment does more damage than a dup. layer.


those are the rules :)
 08/16/2006 12:25:45 PM · #15
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by scalvert:
I'm wayyyy too slow

We knew that... :-)

I don't get it... ;-P

We knew that too... :-)

Message edited by author 2006-08-16 12:25:55.
 08/16/2006 12:27:28 PM · #16
As long as you don't stomp around loudly declaring that you made a duplicate layer, you should be fine... oops, too late...
 08/16/2006 12:28:09 PM · #17
To Site Council
You will need to DQ all of my contest entries, as I have duplicated the BG layer on them all. It is the way iv been taught to edit photos, in order to preserve the orginal.

I will no longer enter photos into the contest on this site, as I do not believe that even basic editing is being allowed.
 08/16/2006 12:28:13 PM · #18
Looking at the editting steps listed, I don't see any specidifically illegal as long as that duplicate layer is at 100% opacity in normal blending mode.

But... I don't make or enforce the rules.
 08/16/2006 12:29:25 PM · #19
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Looking at the editting steps listed, I don't see any specidifically illegal as long as that duplicate layer is at 100% opacity in normal blending mode.

But... I don't make or enforce the rules.


which it is 100% if was not on dial up, id upload the psd with all the layers and steps taken
 08/16/2006 12:30:53 PM · #20
Deep breath, dude. Count to ten. You're making this out to be a personal attack on you and it's not. It's simply a really big Oops.
 08/16/2006 12:31:47 PM · #21
Originally posted by steveh552:
I will no longer enter photos into the contest on this site, as I do not believe that even basic editing is being allowed.


Aw, I hate to see people go like this... have you at least thought about becoming a paid member? I know money is tight for some people but if you can do it, you get access of course to the member challenges with a less-strict set of editing rules. I'm not sure if the duplicate layer thing is legal there either but even if not, you would have more processing freedom at least.
 08/16/2006 12:32:33 PM · #22
Originally posted by steveh552:
To Site Council
You will need to DQ all of my contest entries, as I have duplicated the BG layer on them all. It is the way iv been taught to edit photos, in order to preserve the orginal.

I will no longer enter photos into the contest on this site, as I do not believe that even basic editing is being allowed.


We're reviewing your original, nothing has been DQed, you were just asked to submit proof. Just like 50 other people every week. Take a deep breath.
 08/16/2006 12:33:28 PM · #23
Originally posted by steveh552:
It is the way iv been taught to edit photos, in order to preserve the orginal.


Just save a copy of your original, then you'll always preserve it.

Relax man. It's just a challenge.
 08/16/2006 12:34:36 PM · #24
Take it easy man, I have two DQ's under my name. One was a TOS violation... found out the hard way not to scratch myself on camera... :-)

Really, it's not a personal attack.
08/16/2006 12:37:00 PM · #25
To clarify the rules with regard to layers. In Basic, the use of layers for editing is prohibited (except adjustment layers). If, however, a layer is duplicated, edited, remains at 100% opacity and the file is saved, then effectively only one layer was used for editing.
As Steve stated, it's common practice to preserve an invisible "background" layer as a fallback in case of an editing goof. This is in the spirit of the Basic Rules, IMO, as the use of layers has no impact on the final output. The "no layers" part of the Basic rules is intended to prohibit blending of different layers with different processing or blend modes.
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