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08/08/2006 11:57:40 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by kiwinick:
I would forget the Niokn/Canon and go with the Sony/Minolta Alpha 100.
It is 10mp has buit in antishake and has better vspecs than either of the other s you are looking at, it takes allKM lens andhas a new range including some Carl Ziess optics the alpha retails at $NZ 1699.oo |
Well, from what I´ve seen the Sony Alpha 100 is getting some good reviews, but not as good as the Canon´s and Nikons.
Also the lenses are freakishly expensive... |
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08/08/2006 12:05:53 PM · #27 |
Third party lenses are just fine and the old KM lenses didn't get more expensive...
I'm a bit concerned about the slow startup time and noise on that cam right now myself...
Seems like Sony might have made some specific choices there for certain reasons beyond photography imHo.
Still a HELL of a great choice for a first DSLR. Even better with the rumors of a Sony Pro level DSLR in the future... |
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08/08/2006 12:08:03 PM · #28 |
I will throw you an honest loop and not just plug Nikon, which I enjoy.
Go with a Canon or Nikon..period.
Sometimes I find some pictures made by a Canon body/lens system to blow me away. And then I come across a wonderful quality shot from a D70 or D200 and say, "Can't get any better." So in terms of quality, I honestly don't believe you will notice a difference. I have been at the game for awhile now and still think both are awesome. So go feel them in your hands, look at some photographers here you admire and check out what equipment they have and see the quality. It comes down to experience, talent, lighting-and then body and lens. But that is just me. You can search by camera or lens to see who owns what. But from my perspective, if I could do it all over again......well, I wouldn't. Because this was my decision, I now own a steady diet of lenses and will never switch over now. So make your decision early and forget about it.
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08/08/2006 12:10:25 PM · #29 |
Check out the availability, cost, quality, etc. of the lenses you think you'll need for either brand.
You'll likely never hear a pro say "Wow, what brand of camera did you take that picture with?"
That said, I'm not a big subscriber to Brand X is the best camera. It really depends on what's most important for each shooter and almost every pro I've ever spoken to has said rather than focus on the brand, focus on the lens system and if it suits your photographic intent.
If many brands fit, then buy whatever is the easiest to buy especially between Canon or Nikon.
From what I've seen the reality is, the various features/benefits/limitations between like SLR models from either Canon or Nikon equate to less than 1% of your actual image quality. 95% will be directly impacted by your photographic ability so don't get hung up on the Nikon -vs- Canon debate.
I've seen great pictures from both brands.
FWIW, I shoot with both a D70 and a Olympus C-8080 and use either depending on my requirements.
Message edited by author 2006-08-08 12:11:16. |
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08/08/2006 12:14:02 PM · #30 |
I also had this dilema. I ended up with 350D. I know D70s might handle better and I wondered at some time if wouldn't be better to go Nikon. After 1 year now I am healed of brand dilema and I am happy with the camera I own. Doesn't really matter after you get hooked by taking photos and not by gear hunting.
Go in the store, handle both, take some memory cards with you, take some shots and then go compare.
Whatever suits you that's your camera.
As for 350D downs it is a little small and sometimes I wish it had 2 wheels.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Tibi
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08/08/2006 12:35:25 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by mk:
Sensor dirt is an inevitability on any dslr. Your 30D will have it eventually. |
Au contraire....Olympus has their nifty ultrasonic dust remover. Something I think Nikon & Canon should have licensed several bodies ago. |
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08/08/2006 12:48:21 PM · #32 |
When I was looking to purchase my camera Canon had the image stabilized lenses and far better ISO performance. Considering I was doing a lot of band photography those two were a major plus. They were also much cheaper than the Nikon's for comparable features. I chose the 20D for comfort over the 350D. As it's bigger body felt better, especially with the battery grip and the selection dial was very intuitive to me.
So based on those things it was a "no brainer".
Well, about $6,000+ invested into the Canon system and 5 shipments to the repair facilities and piss-poor service. Combined with the fact that Nikon gives 5 or 7 year warranties on their lenses compared to Canon's 1 year warranty. I think my decision may very well have been a "no brainer".
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08/08/2006 01:50:11 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Well, about $6,000+ invested into the Canon system and 5 shipments to the repair facilities and piss-poor service. Combined with the fact that Nikon gives 5 or 7 year warranties on their lenses compared to Canon's 1 year warranty. I think my decision may very well have been a "no brainer".
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Ouch.. |
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08/08/2006 03:01:27 PM · #34 |
I like Canon, but don't get the 350D. I got it so I'd have extra money to spend on lenses, but I wish I hadn't. The 20D would be a lot nicer in the long run, or the 30D if you can.
If it matters to you, the Nikons (D50, D70, D70S) have 1/500th X-sync speed since they use an electronic shutter and a CCD, while the Canons have slower speeds (1/200th for the 350D, 1/250th for the 20/30D). This is most useful when using flashes in bright ambient light.
You can't really go wrong either way, both companies know what they're doing and you'll get used to any setup you use after a little while. |
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08/08/2006 03:25:03 PM · #35 |
it really depends on what your interests are. if you are never going to upgrade from a prosumer dslr, then go either way, it won't make a difference. if you think, though, that you will be a pro in the near future, i would go canon. they always seem to have the upper hand as far as pro bodies. they already have two full-frame cameras (5d and 1ds mark II) while nikon has none, they have a 16 mp 1ds mark II compared to nikon's 12mp d2x, and they have the 1d mark II that takes 8.5 fps at 8 mp, while nikon's d2x does 8 fps at 6 mp. pro shooters tend to go either way when shooting many things, but the main system used for sports is canon (look at all the white lenses on the sidelines of any pro games).
so, my opinion is to go either way if yu are never going to be pro, but if you will ever be interested in pro equipment, especially sports, go canon.
This whole post is IMHO, and if anyone disagrees, you can give your own advice. the reason that i went canon is that they have the best option for sports photography right now, and i am planning to be a sports photog later in life.
Message edited by author 2006-08-08 15:25:16.
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08/08/2006 03:31:51 PM · #36 |
Wait until tomorrow when Nikon releases it's new Camera, you may not see it in stores for a while.
IMO - If Sony/KM had gotten their act together sooner on the A100, you would not see Nikon under my name. If I had it to do over, I'd get the a100 kit today. Buy a Sigma APO DG 70-200 2.8 and you have a sweet setup. (and a 10-20 or 12-24, and a macro, and....)
Message edited by author 2006-08-08 15:32:04.
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08/08/2006 03:36:50 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Wait until tomorrow when Nikon releases it's new Camera, you may not see it in stores for a while.
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I am so excited! :-D |
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08/08/2006 03:37:58 PM · #38 |
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08/08/2006 03:38:56 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Originally posted by mk:
Sensor dirt is an inevitability on any dslr. Your 30D will have it eventually. |
Au contraire....Olympus has their nifty ultrasonic dust remover. Something I think Nikon & Canon should have licensed several bodies ago. |
Sony's Alpha too. |
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08/08/2006 05:04:52 PM · #40 |
| My 2 cents, do what I did. Get ahold of both, work with them Look at the menus of both, flip through the users guide. Go home compair the pros and cons you see for both, go to sleep. Get up the next morning and drop 1500 on what you want. Get up the next day and ask yourself did I really need (insert the extra thing you bought here). Then enjoy it, which ever one you choose. |
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08/08/2006 05:21:35 PM · #41 |
I have a canon 350d and nikon d50 and the image quality of the canon is quite a bit better but no good for infrared.
Go with canon, why have water when you can have wine :)
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08/08/2006 05:33:55 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
Originally posted by theSaj:
Originally posted by mk:
Sensor dirt is an inevitability on any dslr. Your 30D will have it eventually. |
Au contraire....Olympus has their nifty ultrasonic dust remover. Something I think Nikon & Canon should have licensed several bodies ago. |
Sony's Alpha too. |
Doesn't the dust remove function delay start-up of the camera somewhat? I seem to remember reading it somewhere.
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08/08/2006 09:36:05 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Tiberius:
I also had this dilema. I ended up with 350D. I know D70s might handle better and I wondered at some time if wouldn't be better to go Nikon. After 1 year now I am healed of brand dilema and I am happy with the camera I own. Doesn't really matter after you get hooked by taking photos and not by gear hunting.
Go in the store, handle both, take some memory cards with you, take some shots and then go compare.
Whatever suits you that's your camera.
As for 350D downs it is a little small and sometimes I wish it had 2 wheels.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Tibi |
Tibi, can you show me some photos you shoot using 350D - without the editing (since photos in most of the portfolios are)? I would highly apreciate it. Thanx!
Message edited by author 2006-08-08 21:38:59.
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08/08/2006 09:45:56 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by marbo:
I have a canon 350d and nikon d50 and the image quality of the canon is quite a bit better but no good for infrared.
Go with canon, why have water when you can have wine :) |
:p
I'm pretty sure the Nikonites are pissed over this...
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08/09/2006 01:26:25 AM · #45 |
Would I be a canonnikonite, I want a canon too.... nawwwww just greedy :)
Message edited by author 2006-08-09 01:27:51. |
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08/09/2006 01:30:45 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by AJAger:
Originally posted by faidoi:
Sony's Alpha too. |
Doesn't the dust remove function delay start-up of the camera somewhat? I seem to remember reading it somewhere. |
Not on the Alpha, just the Olympus. The alpha does it on shutdown. The alpha also has an anti-static coating to prevent dust being attracted to the ccd.
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08/09/2006 02:50:25 AM · #47 |
Does anyone seen Kiwiness lately? I heard he migrated from Canon to Nikon. Why Kiwi? Kiwiness
Message edited by author 2006-08-09 02:51:22.
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08/09/2006 02:59:59 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by adriannayusof:
Does anyone seen Kiwiness lately? I heard he migrated from Canon to Nikon. Why Kiwi? Kiwiness |
He's also turned into a digital artist it seems. Maybe that's what his Nikon shoots? :P
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08/09/2006 03:22:51 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by yanko:
He's also turned into a digital artist it seems. Maybe that's what his Nikon shoots? :P |
Hmm... I heard. He's done excellent job. Hardly seen him in any Challenge.
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08/09/2006 09:56:12 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by adriannayusof:
Does anyone seen Kiwiness lately? I heard he migrated from Canon to Nikon. |
It appears you are correct. His many ribbon winners list a Cannon 10D while his current profile lists a Nikon D200 with many Nikkor lenses.
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