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09/09/2006 01:49:13 PM · #101 |
What I've always noticed in these debates is whatever you're best at is what you argue for. If you're better at manpulating a camera than photoshop you arge what you get straight out of the camera is real photography and if you're better at manpulating photoshop than a camera than you argue the opposite. Those that can do both equally well argue that both are needed for real photography often citing the use of darkroom techniques as validation. I long for a day when these inherit biases didn't play into ones arguments but I doubt that day will ever happen. So till then how about just doing you're own thing and quit trying to put labels on other people's work?
This is no different than that Film vs Digital debate that recently popped up in a thread. It seems no matter the subject whatever was done back in the old days must be the right way and anything new and different gets attacked. Of course over time this changes as the new becomes accepted then whatever is new later on gets the brunt of the attacks and so on and so forth.
Message edited by author 2006-09-09 13:49:37. |
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09/09/2006 02:20:25 PM · #102 |
No too extreme here:
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Okay, well, looking at them side-by-side looks a bit more extreme than I thought.
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09/09/2006 03:58:43 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by yanko: What I've always noticed in these debates is whatever you're best at is what you argue for...
...It seems no matter the subject whatever was done back in the old days must be the right way and anything new and different gets attacked. Of course over time this changes as the new becomes accepted then whatever is new later on gets the brunt of the attacks and so on and so forth. |
I'm sorry you feel this way. People, it seems to me, argue for what they're convinced of or believe in. Skill has little to do with this. I have often found myself argue for things or ideas I have no particular skills or propensities for until, of course, I begin to put these to use.
Why not give us the benefit of doubt and allow the possibility that we argue with good, useful and, even, honorable intentions?
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09/09/2006 04:20:07 PM · #104 |
Can we not hijack this thread as it is excellent just showing the "befores and afters". Create a new thread for the debate please.
EDIT: typos!
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09/09/2006 04:31:25 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by zeuszen: Originally posted by yanko: What I've always noticed in these debates is whatever you're best at is what you argue for...
...It seems no matter the subject whatever was done back in the old days must be the right way and anything new and different gets attacked. Of course over time this changes as the new becomes accepted then whatever is new later on gets the brunt of the attacks and so on and so forth. |
I'm sorry you feel this way. People, it seems to me, argue for what they're convinced of or believe in. Skill has little to do with this. I have often found myself argue for things or ideas I have no particular skills or propensities for until, of course, I begin to put these to use.
Why not give us the benefit of doubt and allow the possibility that we argue with good, useful and, even, honorable intentions? |
I don't want to hijack this thread any longer so if you're interested in this debate than maybe start a new thread. However to answer your question briefly, I've engaged in these debates long enough to realize they are never honest and I say that because they always start and end with illogical arguments that are based on nothing but the arbitary.
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09/09/2006 04:41:41 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by Nuzzer: Can we not hijack this thread as it is excellent just showing the "befores and afters". Create a new thread for the debate please. |
yes. please take the blah blah blah elsewhere...
now... back on topic :
here's my free study xii entry before :
and after :
i know some people have expressed their sick of IR, but i still don't think i've reached the limits of what i can do with it yet, so there will certainly be more IR shots from me in the future...
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09/09/2006 05:10:32 PM · #107 |
This is my only ribbon and is also my high scorer:
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09/09/2006 06:11:22 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by yanko: Originally posted by zeuszen: Originally posted by yanko: What I've always noticed in these debates is whatever you're best at is what you argue for...
...It seems no matter the subject whatever was done back in the old days must be the right way and anything new and different gets attacked. Of course over time this changes as the new becomes accepted then whatever is new later on gets the brunt of the attacks and so on and so forth. |
I'm sorry you feel this way. People, it seems to me, argue for what they're convinced of or believe in. Skill has little to do with this. I have often found myself argue for things or ideas I have no particular skills or propensities for until, of course, I begin to put these to use.
Why not give us the benefit of doubt and allow the possibility that we argue with good, useful and, even, honorable intentions? |
I don't want to hijack this thread any longer so if you're interested in this debate than maybe start a new thread... |
Let's not. I respect your stance and return this thread to its own heat.
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09/09/2006 07:53:30 PM · #109 |
Avant
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09/09/2006 08:10:49 PM · #110 |
This is my free study entry. Not quite a ribbon winner, but a very high score and percentile for me.
And this is before all processing.
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09/09/2006 11:09:36 PM · #111 |
I'd just like to say thank you..threads like these are why I joined DPC. I desire to take better 'straight from camera' shots and I ALSO desire to learn PP much much much better...actually ANY knowledge is more than I had before I joined the site. ANY knowledge gained is a good thing..and I appreciate those that risk putting their necks on chopping block to show before thru after PP. I too was EXTREMELY "enlightened" to learn the amount of PP (eye candy)? that is done..HOWEVER PP is an art in and of itself, at least to me. For me?I tend to not be as accepting of things I can not do myself. The more I learn the more I appreciate the more I accept. Thanks for taking the time to comment on the challenges you do, thanks for working your "magic" and most of all ...thanks for sharing your LESSONS...good luck and God's blessings to everyone :-)
*edit for typos..too late to think
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09/10/2006 08:12:58 PM · #112 |
I'd love to see more of these, if anyone has them.
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09/10/2006 08:43:26 PM · #113 |
Ask, oh great Llama Lleader, and ye shall receive.
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09/10/2006 08:50:26 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by alfresco: Ask, oh great Llama Lleader, and ye shall receive.
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Interestingly (or not, depending) I actually like the shiny-er one better, minus the large roundish highlight. hmmmm.
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09/10/2006 09:29:35 PM · #115 |
My photo isn't a ribboner nor a high scorer. But this is my before and after...sorry if it doesn't belong here.

I'd also like to add that you guys are amazing with what you can do with a photo! :)
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09/10/2006 10:13:54 PM · #116 |
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I did alot of Photoshopping on this one. I intentionally set out to go a bit overboard, to have something a bit unreal, a pic beyond a normal zoo pic. From the score and comments it looks like I did ok. |
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09/11/2006 10:56:57 AM · #117 |
You are a post-processing queen, so please don't apologize. I'm always interested in seeing your originals.
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10/09/2006 03:49:32 PM · #118 |
bumping so recent ribbon winners can expose their secrets ;) |
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10/09/2006 03:51:06 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by Nuzzer: bumping so recent ribbon winners can expose their secrets ;) |
That's too funny. I was just getting ready to look for this thread because of the similar one currently running on the front page. :D |
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10/09/2006 04:33:29 PM · #120 |
That's easy for my, as I've only entered one challenge sofar - and even though I didn't "ribbon", I believe I did OK finishing 14...
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10/09/2006 05:05:04 PM · #121 |
These are sorta boring:
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10/09/2006 05:14:31 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by kudzu: Originally posted by Nuzzer: Can we not hijack this thread as it is excellent just showing the "befores and afters". Create a new thread for the debate please. |
yes. please take the blah blah blah elsewhere...
now... back on topic :
here's my free study xii entry before :
and after :
i know some people have expressed their sick of IR, but i still don't think i've reached the limits of what i can do with it yet, so there will certainly be more IR shots from me in the future... |
What is IR?? |
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10/09/2006 07:46:15 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by jeannybeany: Originally posted by kudzu: i know some people have expressed their sick of IR, but i still don't think i've reached the limits of what i can do with it yet, so there will certainly be more IR shots from me in the future... |
What is IR?? |
IR = Infra-red. An IR filter on the camera produces this effect. |
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10/09/2006 07:47:13 PM · #124 |
Are these originals after RAW adjustments or before? If they are after, do you have the originals before any RAW adjustments to post? |
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10/09/2006 07:56:32 PM · #125 |
Entry:
Original (not a lot of difference):

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