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08/02/2006 10:40:54 PM · #51 |
| this is all being taken way out of proportion. i was in manhattan today and i was taking pictures of some of the buildings and there were people looking at me as if i just killed someone. how dare i... well tomorrow i'll be there again pissing off more people so ha |
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08/02/2006 10:42:31 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
FYI:
The Constitution of the United States of America
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
US Bill of Rights (not suggestions)
"We the People" Mike one of the people. |
Maybe we need to start mailing copies of both documents to key people. Police departments, Congressmen, oh, I don't know, say, the President himself? |
Can the president read? |
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08/02/2006 10:43:39 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
FYI:
The Constitution of the United States of America
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
US Bill of Rights (not suggestions)
"We the People" Mike one of the people. |
Maybe we need to start mailing copies of both documents to key people. Police departments, Congressmen, oh, I don't know, say, the President himself? |
Can the president read? |
Well if he can't, then I sure as hell hope that someone in the White House can! Maybe the kitchen janitor can read it to him.
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08/02/2006 10:59:08 PM · #54 |
I'm sorry you were hassled, Neil.
I've never had it happen to me and I've taken pictures everywhere I've been including airports. It seems like women (especially middle aged grandma type who look like Mrs. Olson from the Maxwell House commercial) aren't suspected of anything.
We recently went to Philadelphia for our son's wedding and I took tons of pictures in the airport, even in the plane and no one said anything. We walked all around Philadelphia and I took pictures of all the buildings and even of policemen sitting in their cars and no one even asked me about it at all.
I guess sometimes, it pays to be a middle aged woman - we're totally invisible to everyone!
Message edited by author 2006-08-02 22:59:29. |
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08/02/2006 11:03:20 PM · #55 |
just from a security guard in our local air port.
Originally posted by nomad469:
Originally posted by angelfire:
Okay. Due to 911 it is no longer to permitable to take pictures of the buildings, outside or in, nor of the run way. You may have been sarcastic and I agree whole hartedly with you that it's crazy, but they have to be cautious of security. Oh and yes the guard should have erased your pictures and taken your information. Bottom line is the world is screwed up and because of a few the mass will suffer. |
ah...nope ... this statement is just wrong AFAIK...
Can you give us a research reference for this ??? |
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08/02/2006 11:03:25 PM · #56 |
Scan the logo for Wall Street Journal or some local news rag. Change the l's to capital 'I's.
Silk screen printing and sew it on to a nondescript jacket back.
;)
Or like has been suggested elsewhere, register and get a press pass. I want to get one from Thailand :) |
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08/02/2006 11:03:38 PM · #57 |
I am in favor of sensible security measures (including *gasp* criminal/terrorist profiling). I am vehemently opposed to nonsensical, cosmetic, "feel-good" security measures that trample on peoples rights. I am even in favor of slightly curbing people's rights for security reasons if it can be absolutely proven to be effective. Banning pictures that are available online (along with detailed blueprints in many cases) is utterly ridiculous.
My own theory about why it is rampant has more to do with authorities (police, security, etc.) being caught on tape and film abusing their power. They can justify in their own minds that it is in the interest of security to ban photography on "their beat" so to speak.
To the poster who mentioned something about what if someone committed an act and was aided by photographs - that is as ridiculous a reason to ban something as it would be if they were aided by a crescent wrench, IMO.
I really like the idea of using GTG's to go to some of these places and shoot away. A few incidents to make National news and a few choice lawsuits would definitely have an impact.
Be sure to get some good shots for the upcoming "Billy Club in Action" challenge! :) |
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08/02/2006 11:06:50 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
Scan the logo for Wall Street Journal or some local news rag. Change the l's to capital 'I's.
Silk screen printing and sew it on to a nondescript jacket back.
;)
Or like has been suggested elsewhere, register and get a press pass. I want to get one from Thailand :) |
On that note, can't we as a group or maybe the PPA or some other national photographers association establish our own "press credentials" certification - something like free press or independent photographers society or whatever. Frankly I have no idea how those things work, but I do think something needs to be done to stop this. |
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08/02/2006 11:07:12 PM · #59 |
I'm always facinated by these discussions when they come up.
Personally I think it is great that Americans do have these rights defined and protected in their constitution. While it is true they have recently been infringed upon, and by-laws appear to be in conflict, Americans do nonetheless have a legal leg to stand on.
This is not the case in other countries. A Canadian friend of mine was arrested for six weeks for taking pictures of a bridge from a train in Tanzania. In the last year I have shot in a number of countries where it is impossible to even find out what the legal position is; so oone simpley has no choice but to bow to the whim of whatever petty individual takes exception to your photography.
I'm not defendign the infringements that have been made on American freedom - merely asking you guys to appreciate what you do have.
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08/02/2006 11:10:12 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by PaulE:
I'm not defendign the infringements that have been made on American freedom - merely asking you guys to appreciate what you do have. |
A point not lost on me, for sure. I think most of us are focused on preventing the US from becoming one of those "Could-this-be-the-unlucky-shot-that-lands-me-in-a-Turkish-prison" countries.
Edit to add: No offense to Turkey or Turkish prisons.
Message edited by author 2006-08-02 23:11:12. |
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08/02/2006 11:14:42 PM · #61 |
I feel your pain Neil, I barely had my dSLR camera for 12 hours before I got the 'interegation' at the local airport. Yeah I had a tripod set up, but I wasn't even on airport property, this was the local officers that showed up. I was just taking pictures of airplanes landing and taking off, a dream I always swore as soon as I got a nice camera I would capture from my youth. Sure I was there at the crack of dawn, 10 feet away from my truck going to town taking pictures. When the local law showed up and started asking question I did try to answer straight forward, they plain old had an agenda, they already had I must be guilty of something major to be there. They first wanted to take my camera and everything, I talked them down to just the Memory card. Took a while to get the card back. But next time, I tell ya I got the Photographers rights printed out sitting in my camera bag at the ready. I know my rights better now, next time they will get nothing with the intimidation factor!
Edit: Duh that link is here! Link
Message edited by author 2006-08-02 23:19:32. |
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08/02/2006 11:23:51 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by PaulE:
I'm not defendign the infringements that have been made on American freedom - merely asking you guys to appreciate what you do have. |
Hi Paul,
I do appreciate it to the extent that I want to keep it that way. That is why I am so adamit about my stand and my anger at those who for lack of creativity will take it away from me for their so called security.
The same amendment also gives me the right to tell that cop who wants to take away my rights that he can't. Not many places in the world I could do that either so I will fight for the rights I have so they will be here for me children and my children's children. And yours too.
What makes me sad is my dad shed blood in Europe for these same reasons over 60 years ago and today people there don't appreciate it the same way people here would give it up for such a false illusion of security.
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08/02/2006 11:31:10 PM · #63 |
By the way, for those who haven't seen it, there was an article a while back in pop photo (where I lifted this catch phrase) that talks about this:
The War on Photographers - Pop Photo |
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08/02/2006 11:35:47 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
The same amendment also gives me the right to tell that cop who wants to take away my rights that he can't. Not many places in the world I could do that either so I will fight for the rights I have so they will be here for me children and my children's children. And yours too.
What makes me sad is my dad shed blood in Europe for these same reasons over 60 years ago and today people there don't appreciate it the same way people here would give it up for such a false illusion of security. |
I agree, my Grandpa fought in WW1 and WW2, my dad fought in Vietnam putting thier lives on the line for the freedom of this country. These 'blow-hards' that think they are doing anything by acting like tough guys trying to limit what I can and can't do, as an American citizen just ticks me off to no end. Their rational of what is logical is so fricking skewed its not even funny, let face it a terrorist is gunna be total invisible, taking pictures with a camera phone if they needed them. Besides the fact they could do all the reconisense over the internet with pictures already avalible, or even satalite images.
I will tell ya, the next time this crap happens to me Im gunna ask a simple question "DO you like being an American and having freedom? Then what gives you the right to take it away from me?" |
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08/02/2006 11:36:20 PM · #65 |
Yesterday was my first major incident while taking pictures. I was downtown where a lot of construction is going on. They are converting downtown to uptown and renovating old buildings into apartments. I happened to see an interesting building that was being remodeled and pulled to the curb and while in the car stated to take a couple of pictures. The building was next to a garage being built.
Within a minute of being there this large man with a construction hat came across the street briskly and started using foul language and telling me to get the hell out of there. Every other word was a four letter word. And what made it so bad my family was in the car with me. We were just riding around. 95% of the time I carry my camera with me and a spare low cost tripod in the trunk of the car.
I was across the street atleast 50 to 100 feet from the red tape blocking off the construction area. So I was on public property and he came outside of his bounds of the construction area to be aggressive. I was not in the way of any of his equipment, workers, or area.
I will tell you what will make someone this aggressive trying to impress his co-workers as they were laughing it up. I get out of my car and confront him. When I stood up I was about 6" taller and about 50 lbs. larger with a shoulder holster containing a glock 30. And asked him did he have a problem with me taking pictures on a public street. And what right did he have cursing me in front of my family. He backed away and said, "no problem, no problem I just didn't want anyone to get hurt with the construction". That's what I thought!
I don't advise this because you can get hurt, you never know what someone else may have. I never made a gesture, a move, or even acknowledged my gun. Without a jacket it was very visible. NEVER confront someone with a weapon unless you are going to use it. NEVER!
ADD: yes I have a concealed permit.
Message edited by author 2006-08-02 23:39:19.
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08/02/2006 11:42:42 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
ADD: yes I have a concealed permit. |
Ok, the gun permit checks out, but don't let me catch you around here with that camera again or you'll be doing hard time. ;-) |
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08/02/2006 11:44:36 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
ADD: yes I have a concealed permit. |
Ok, the gun permit checks out, but don't let me catch you around here with that camera again or you'll be doing hard time. ;-) |
you've earned your moniker once again. ROTFLMAO
Edit: I just noticed you are missing the "T" in your user ID. Have to check my web dictionary.... Update: OK, I see it goes both ways ;)
Message edited by author 2006-08-02 23:48:47. |
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08/02/2006 11:45:33 PM · #68 |
This is all more simply addressed. You don't need a Glock (even though I have to say I love my 36). All you need is a business name, lanyard, plastic card holder, and a nicely printed card that states you are PRESS with your company's name. Hang it over your neck and snap away. Most people are COMPLETELY awed by this and will give you a wide berth. If anyone does ask, you simply tell them you are on assignment from the company stated on the card. All is technically true, even if it's your own company.
My personal lanyard/tag says:
PRESS
David Simpson
Aboutimage, Inc.
Enough said for most people.
Message edited by author 2006-08-02 23:47:36. |
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08/02/2006 11:46:18 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
ADD: yes I have a concealed permit. |
Ok, the gun permit checks out, but don't let me catch you around here with that camera again or you'll be doing hard time. ;-) |
Yeah isn't that the truth! Course, my wife also has a conceal and carry permit, and has a Glock 9mm and a Beretta (Spl?) hand gun she like to shot at the local range with. Crazy Elementry school teachers... ;) |
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08/02/2006 11:47:47 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
you've earned your moniker once again. ROTFLMAO
Edit: I just noticed you are missing the "T" in your user ID. Have to check my web dictionary.... |
My family dropped the "T" when they immigrated from the L.O.L. Republic. Besides, I wouldn't call you "Neil The Shapiro" duh.
;-) |
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08/02/2006 11:50:20 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
ADD: yes I have a concealed permit. |
Ok, the gun permit checks out, but don't let me catch you around here with that camera again or you'll be doing hard time. ;-) |
LOL...The only reason I was able to obtain the permit was because me and my family was threatened with bodily harm several years ago. The person even found my address at which time was not publicly know so the PD determined he had to follow me home.
ETA: The only reason I had it that day was because I was planing on going to a friends land to shoot. I had not used it since last fall. I personally don't like guns to much and do not keep them in my house. My dad has a lock cabinet and no children around so I normally keep it there. Out of the way of my children.
Message edited by author 2006-08-02 23:56:34.
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08/02/2006 11:52:53 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Interestingly, I am going to pick up my wife and kids at PDX in about 3 hours...I think I'll take the 300D, although without a tripod it may be too dark to do much damage. |
I've shot at PDX on several occasions, inside and out. Not for any extended period of time, but I've never been spoken to. |
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08/02/2006 11:53:51 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by aboutimage:
All you need is a business name, lanyard, plastic card holder, and a nicely printed card that states you are PRESS with your company's name. |
Brilliant! I'm heading down to the airport...
;-P
Edit to add: The funny thing is that this would probably actually work to keep security off my back. LOL
Message edited by author 2006-08-02 23:55:25. |
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08/02/2006 11:55:04 PM · #74 |
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08/02/2006 11:57:06 PM · #75 |
...withdrawn...
Message edited by author 2006-08-03 00:04:08. |
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