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07/27/2006 12:50:39 PM · #26 |
another way to look at it is if Jesus represents all mankind then he was likely dark skinned due to the combining of all "colors"/races. A "white" Jesus would have excluded several races.
Therefore, "dark" (as in black) would be the combination of all/many colors. Proven by the life of Jesus.
(now if you think that thinking is a stretch, wait till you read what I come up with next)
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07/27/2006 12:51:03 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Gixer:
scarbrd, does having been a member for a short time make his statement any less valid?
I just wanted to see what people thought about black as a color, I was very surprised of the scores for the color on color image that uses black. Thanks for everyones input. |
And we gave you honest feedback about our thoughts on color.
Statement validity has nothing to do with it. I just felt the poster was venting frustration and accusing other posters of flaunting art school creds when they weren't. And it just surprised me that someone could have that level of disgust after being a member for only 2 weeks. Usually it takes a month or so for a member to become totally fed up with the postings around here. He seems to be way ahead of the curve.
I've been a member for just a few months myself. I have realized that calling posters hypocrites isn't a good way to get started here. But hey, it's that free wheeling back and forth banter that keeps people on their toes, right?
In a word, whatever!
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07/27/2006 12:51:57 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Flash:
another way to look at it is if Jesus represents all mankind then he was likely dark skinned due to the combining of all "colors"/races. |
That, and the fact that he was most likely arabic
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07/27/2006 12:53:55 PM · #29 |
I personally think that discounting black and white as colors for the purpose of a color on color challenge is pushing the nitpicking way too far.
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07/27/2006 01:09:09 PM · #30 |
| Okay..when did this discussion turned into a religious accounting. I don't think the author of this thread meant to go THAT deep into the discussion of whether or not black is a color. Like I said previously...crayola makes a crayon the color of black...black is a color. Black is a mixture of all colors.....hence black is not only a color..but every color. Which makes black on black a perfect fit for the color on color challenge. |
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07/27/2006 01:15:17 PM · #31 |
| hey, i have to say sorry if my post offended people. i wasn't invested in doing that - but if that seemed like my intent i'll work on that - it's hard when you're typing things out versus saying it to your friends ... i was wondering if it sounded kind of jerky - that could have tipped me off (sounding ticked off) though i can only say i was't :) |
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07/27/2006 01:16:24 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by albc28:
Okay..when did this discussion turned into a religious accounting. I don't think the author of this thread meant to go THAT deep into the discussion of whether or not black is a color. Like I said previously...crayola makes a crayon the color of black...black is a color. Black is a mixture of all colors.....hence black is not only a color..but every color. Which makes black on black a perfect fit for the color on color challenge. |
I agree with everything you said EXCEPT the bold part. You are discussing ONLY color with regard to PIGMENTS. This is a Subtractive Color Model. Light mixes differently, Additive Color Model.
Message edited by author 2006-07-27 13:18:41. |
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07/27/2006 01:33:02 PM · #33 |
Yes, I agree! White light is all colors of light together (think of a prism). Black pigment is the combination of all colors of pigment.
Based on the two current challenges, if I would have entered the Color on Color challenge, I would not have picked white, black or gray if I wanted to score well, since the other challenge is fairly clear in desiring a black & white (or grayscale) subject.
Message edited by author 2006-07-27 13:36:01.
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07/27/2006 01:35:01 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by albc28:
Black is a color....actually black is all the colors mixed together. |
I thought that was white? |
Correct. White is all colors mixed together and black is the absents of all color. Remember that you only see color because of white light reflecting off a surface. Turn off the light and all you will see is black. Also if you were able to turn off or filter the red part of the white light and look at something red you would only see black (or gray because there is still some reflections of light). There is an easy experiment to prove this. Just take a red piece of film in front of a white light source and hold it over a red piece of poster board or something red and you should see a dark shadow. I have never tried this but it should work.
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07/27/2006 01:36:58 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by TomH1000:
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by albc28:
Black is a color....actually black is all the colors mixed together. |
I thought that was white? |
Correct. White is all colors mixed together and black is the absents of all color. Remember that you only see color because of white light reflecting off a surface. Turn off the light and all you will see is black. Also if you were able to turn off or filter the red part of the white light and look at something red you would only see black (or gray because there is still some reflections of light). There is an easy experiment to prove this. Just take a red piece of film in front of a white light source and hold it over a red piece of poster board or something red and you should see a dark shadow. I have never tried this but it should work. |
Again, it depends if you're talking about light or pigments.
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07/27/2006 01:45:54 PM · #36 |
| Why didn't you put in the black and white in color challenge? |
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07/27/2006 01:55:08 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by dahved:
Yes, I agree! White light is all colors of light together (think of a prism). Black pigment is the combination of all colors of pigment.
Based on the two current challenges, if I would have entered the Color on Color challenge, I would not have picked white, black or gray if I wanted to score well, since the other challenge is fairly clear in desiring a black & white (or grayscale) subject. |
The problem is that it would not have faired well in the black and white challenge either. I've already got DNMC because my photo (for the sake of not revealing it) has all black or all white in it. They want to see both black AND white. Not just of one of those Colors |
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07/27/2006 02:05:28 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by dahved:
Originally posted by TomH1000:
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by albc28:
Black is a color....actually black is all the colors mixed together. |
I thought that was white? |
Correct. White is all colors mixed together and black is the absents of all color. Remember that you only see color because of white light reflecting off a surface. Turn off the light and all you will see is black. Also if you were able to turn off or filter the red part of the white light and look at something red you would only see black (or gray because there is still some reflections of light). There is an easy experiment to prove this. Just take a red piece of film in front of a white light source and hold it over a red piece of poster board or something red and you should see a dark shadow. I have never tried this but it should work. |
Again, it depends if you're talking about light or pigments. |
Not really. We are talking about color. Pigments are not colors. It is just a materiel that reflects back a certain wavelength of light. Mix all the pigments together and you get black because you have prevented all of the visible wavelengths of light to be reflected.
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07/27/2006 02:11:47 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by albc28:
They want to see both black AND white. Not just of one of those Colors |
Duh.
The original poster's photo would have fared better in the bw color contest for the simple fact that is is a black and white photo. Fared better as in would have not had meets-the-challenge concerns to worry about at any rate. |
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07/27/2006 02:17:00 PM · #40 |
Router..I don't think you got the gist of my point. I said that in the black and white contest they wanted to see BOTH black AND WHITE. Not just any of those colors (meaning not just black...and not just white). The original posters photo was black on black...hence no white..hence DNMC in the voters eyes.
TomH, what you are saying is that a color is created when light is blocked right. You block one wavelength of light and you get red. You block another wavelength you get green..etc. So a color is created by blocking wavelengths of light...so wouldn't that mean if you block all wavelengths of light you create the COLOR black..and that would make white not a color because no wavelengths are being blocked. |
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07/27/2006 02:18:10 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by TomH1000:
Originally posted by dahved:
Again, it depends if you're talking about light or pigments. |
Not really. We are talking about color. Pigments are not colors. It is just a materiel that reflects back a certain wavelength of light. Mix all the pigments together and you get black because you have prevented all of the visible wavelengths of light to be reflected. |
When discussing "color" this way, you are ACTUALLY talking about Color Theory. The important part of those 2 words is THEORY. It's only a theoretical abstraction, much like Einstein Theories, it can't be proven.
# a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"
# hypothesis: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in chemical practices"
# a belief that can guide behavior; "the architect has a theory that more is less"; "they killed him on the theory that dead men tell no tales"
So the entire conversation is moot, because none of it can be proven. Is black a color. Yes? No? Maybe?
I prefer the simplest explanation so far. If it's a crayon, it's a color. |
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07/27/2006 04:12:33 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by albc28:
TomH, what you are saying is that a color is created when light is blocked right. You block one wavelength of light and you get red. You block another wavelength you get green..etc. So a color is created by blocking wavelengths of light...so wouldn't that mean if you block all wavelengths of light you create the COLOR black..and that would make white not a color because no wavelengths are being blocked. |
I'm not really saying any color is created in any case. I am only saying that the perception of color is created by light. Example, if you are in a restaurant and you order mash potatoes. For some reason over your table there are red lights. Question, what color are your mash potatoes? You see red so they must be red, right? But in your mind you know they are white but, they are only white in your mind because you are used to seeing them under white light. If the only light there was visible to us was red then we would never see white. So in this kind of world we would not even consider white as a color. As far as black goes you are right. If you take all the wavelengths of light away you get black. Is this a color? If you turn all the lights in your room off late at night. Are your walls black? Or are they still the color you remember from earlier that day (-:
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07/27/2006 04:42:34 PM · #43 |
I've seen a couple of entries in the black and white challenge that are pretty much colour all over. That depends on your use of the term 'colour' of course. As long as black and white are colours then I am writing coloured letters on a coloured background and every black and white photograph ever is alive with rich, vibrant colours etc.
I personally feel that, during the period when there are two challenges to choose from and one is black and white and the other is colour, anyone who chooses to enter a colourful picture in the b&w or a b&w picture in the colour challenge should expect their efforts to go down about as well as whistling Dixie at the Al Qaida annual reunion. But that's just my humble opinion, effendi.
Edited in a futile effort to make sense out of my run-on sentences.
Message edited by author 2006-07-27 16:46:28. |
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07/27/2006 04:53:10 PM · #44 |
Who'da thunk a simple question could yield such entertainment?
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07/27/2006 05:12:21 PM · #45 |
Dammit. Haven't you heard about the impending popcorn shortage?
Edited to save popcorn.
Message edited by author 2006-07-27 17:13:00. |
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07/27/2006 05:23:59 PM · #46 |
Could someone pass the popcorn?
hahaha, seriously, you guys are awesome... I want to open a thread just to count how many times we can all say the same thing over and over again.
So here's one more time:
Black is different depending on if you're talking about light or pigment or DPC photo entry.
If your entry is controversial in interpretation, count on having some good votes and some bad, and just go with the assumption that the less controversial your photo's interpretation could be, the better your score will fair.
now, where's my popcorn? |
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07/27/2006 05:26:19 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Dammit. Haven't you heard about the impending popcorn shortage?
Edited to save popcorn. |
Rumors of the shortage are like... um, global warming.
*Art pulls over his SUV to deliver a barrel of popcorn to Amanda*
Message edited by author 2006-07-27 17:26:34. |
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07/27/2006 05:32:22 PM · #48 |
Depends how you look at it.
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07/27/2006 05:47:45 PM · #49 |
| Gixer, did you use desaturation to make the image black on black? If not it probably would have done better in b&w on color. I accept that black is a color but I think most voters saw the challenges as "B&W" and "color". Entering a B&W image into the color challenge confuses them... |
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07/27/2006 05:51:18 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by yanko:
Dammit. Haven't you heard about the impending popcorn shortage?
Edited to save popcorn. |
Rumors of the shortage are like... um, global warming.
*Art pulls over his SUV to deliver a barrel of popcorn to Amanda* |
yay! nothing like black market popcorn, wait, is that a color? JUST JOKING.... felt I needed to spell that so there are no missings of the J/K symbol |
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