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 07/22/2006 09:48:53 PM · #1
I am entering the Gold challenge but I am not sure that what I did is OK.

Can I duplicate the background layer and do dodging and burning on that new layer and adjust the opacity?

Can I create adjustment layers and adjust the opacity on those?

I watched the Joey Lawrence DVD and tried some of those things he does on the lightbulb picture. Are these things legal in advanced? Like taking a picture of concrete and creating a layer with it and adjusting it with the soft light option?

I have PSE 3.0 and downloaded an effect that allows me to do curves like in full versions of PS. Is this legal?

Help!

Message edited by author 2006-07-22 22:15:24.
 07/22/2006 09:50:27 PM · #2
Okay Adjustment layers and duplicating layers is fine as long as those layers are from the same image. In other words...taking photos of concrete or whatever and then pasting them onto another image is not allowed as it then incorporates more than one image. Does that make sense?
 07/22/2006 09:50:54 PM · #3
JL has a special license to do any editing he wants.

if you so much as change the value of red, you're done.

07/22/2006 09:52:58 PM · #4
Originally posted by saintaugust:
JL has a special license to do any editing he wants.

if you so much as change the value of red, you're done.


I am sorry but I don't know what you mean about the value of red...adjusting the hue of something is not ok?

Message edited by author 2006-07-22 21:59:34.
 07/22/2006 09:53:36 PM · #5
Originally posted by Judi:
Okay Adjustment layers and duplicating layers is fine as long as those layers are from the same image. In other words...taking photos of concrete or whatever and then pasting them onto another image is not allowed as it then incorporates more than one image. Does that make sense?


Yes, I get that. Thank you.
 07/22/2006 09:54:01 PM · #6
Originally posted by slickchik:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
JL has a special license to do any editing he wants.

if you so much as change the value of red, you're done.


I am sorry but I don't know what you mean about the value of red...adjusting the hue of something is not ok?


He is just just stirring you. I will take care of him...don't worry.
 07/22/2006 09:54:52 PM · #7
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by slickchik:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
JL has a special license to do any editing he wants.

if you so much as change the value of red, you're done.


I am sorry but I don't know what you mean about the value of red...adjusting the hue of something is not ok?


He is just just stirring you. I will take care of him...don't worry.


go for it.

i need taken care of.

07/22/2006 09:55:58 PM · #8
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by slickchik:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
JL has a special license to do any editing he wants.

if you so much as change the value of red, you're done.


I am sorry but I don't know what you mean about the value of red...adjusting the hue of something is not ok?


He is just just stirring you. I will take care of him...don't worry.


I thought he was yanking my chain but I really am so new to Photoshop and DPC that I want to make sure I am doing the right things since this is my first challenge that I am actually taking advantage of the advanced editing rules.

Message edited by author 2006-07-22 21:57:34.
 07/22/2006 09:57:36 PM · #9
Originally posted by saintaugust:


go for it.

i need taken care of.


Meet me in the pillow room Mister!
 07/22/2006 09:58:15 PM · #10
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by saintaugust:


go for it.

i need taken care of.


Meet me in the pillow room Mister!


lol... let me put in my mouth guard.

07/22/2006 10:02:35 PM · #11
Originally posted by slickchik:
I am entering the Gold challenge but I am not sure that what I did is OK.

Can I duplicate the background layer and do dodging and burning on that new layer and adjust the opacity?
Yes, you can.

Originally posted by slickchik:
Can I create adjustment layers and adjust the opacity on those?
Yes, you can.

Originally posted by slickchik:
I watched the Joey Lawrence DVD and tried some of those things he does on the lightbulb picture. Are these things legal in advanced? Like taking a picture of concrete and creating a layer with it and adjusting it with the soft light option?
No, you cannot add another picture into your challenge entry, or "create" any opbjects within it.

Originally posted by slickchik:
I have PSE 3.0 and downloaded an effect that allows me to do curves like in full versions of PS. Is this legal?
Yes, curves or a curves plugin is legal.
07/22/2006 10:06:53 PM · #12
I think (hope) saintaugust is just being sarcastic. Advanced editing in a nutshell:

ΓΆ€ΒΆ Work with only one original image- you can't draw or paste in new elements.
ΓΆ€ΒΆ Layers are fine.
ΓΆ€ΒΆ You can't add any shapes/objects that weren't in the original.
ΓΆ€ΒΆ You can't move, remove or obscure anything prominent (including detailed backgrounds), however you can clone out minor distractions like a power line, dust spot or a stray twig.
ΓΆ€ΒΆ Filters are fine as long as they enhance what's already present (avoid adding motion to static objects or creating a lens flare, for example).
ΓΆ€ΒΆ Change whatever colors you like on existing elements (you can't just draw in a rainbow).

Note that this is a very simplified list based on my own understanding and experience. If you have any specific questions, contact the site council and ask.

Message edited by author 2006-07-22 22:18:43.
 07/22/2006 10:17:02 PM · #13
If there were already a concrete texture in the image, could one extrapolate that to a layer and then alter the sizing on that to create a rocky-grunge overlay?

edit-
Or wood, lace, or any other texture?

Message edited by author 2006-07-22 22:17:39.
 07/22/2006 10:17:08 PM · #14
Scalvert and wavelength...

Your answers REALLY helped.

Thank you!
 07/22/2006 10:21:10 PM · #15
Originally posted by wavelength:
If there were already a concrete texture in the image, could one extrapolate that to a layer and then alter the sizing on that to create a rocky-grunge overlay?

edit-
Or wood, lace, or any other texture?

Sounds similar to introducing another element, like has happened with motion blur DQ's in past challenges. It would be adding something to the image that didn't exist in the original. JMO of course. ;^) Will be interesting to see other's feedback on your question.
 07/22/2006 10:23:57 PM · #16
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by wavelength:
If there were already a concrete texture in the image, could one extrapolate that to a layer and then alter the sizing on that to create a rocky-grunge overlay?

edit-
Or wood, lace, or any other texture?

Sounds similar to introducing another element, like has happened with motion blur DQ's in past challenges. It would be adding something to the image that didn't exist in the original. JMO of course. ;^) Will be interesting to see other's feedback on your question.


OOH!! I know, shoot with a grunge printed transparency film in a Cokin holder. ;-) (or duct tape )
 07/22/2006 10:30:59 PM · #17
Originally posted by wavelength:
OOH!! I know, shoot with a grunge printed transparency film in a Cokin holder. ;-) (or duct tape )

Yep. That's the ticket, and it's legal too! ;^)
 07/25/2006 02:18:46 PM · #18
Sorry If I am going over something again. The major elements thing is getting to me.

1. I selected everything but my major object and changed the color balance and blurred it to soften it up. (the changed space is larger overall than my main object)

2. I stamped out some tiny dots that were in my main object.

3. I applied a spot light from the filters menu or was it layers.. im really new at this.

This is for the zen pic so I can reshoot it if I need to.
Is any of this against the rules?
 07/25/2006 02:41:08 PM · #19
Originally posted by ltlmschrisss:
Sorry If I am going over something again. The major elements thing is getting to me.

1. I selected everything but my major object and changed the color balance and blurred it to soften it up. (the changed space is larger overall than my main object)

2. I stamped out some tiny dots that were in my main object.

3. I applied a spot light from the filters menu or was it layers.. im really new at this.

This is for the zen pic so I can reshoot it if I need to.
Is any of this against the rules?


It's really difficult to be able to know from text descriptions whether or not you're running into trouble. There's a pretty darn goood chance that applying a spotlight will run you afoul of the rules, though. The best way to verify is to submit your original and edited version via ticket to the SC who can give you an opinion but not an official ruling.
 07/25/2006 02:47:09 PM · #20
Originally posted by ltlmschrisss:
Sorry If I am going over something again. The major elements thing is getting to me.

1. I selected everything but my major object and changed the color balance and blurred it to soften it up. (the changed space is larger overall than my main object)

2. I stamped out some tiny dots that were in my main object.

3. I applied a spot light from the filters menu or was it layers.. im really new at this.

This is for the zen pic so I can reshoot it if I need to.
Is any of this against the rules?


It would be a great service if you'd submit this to the SC formally using the "help" link in the upper right corner, and then post the answer here.

That said, I'm guessing the answers are:
1) Yes. But be careful - if you blur a major element to the point it goes away, the answer changes to no.

2) Probably fine, keying on the word "tiny."

3) Probably not, assuming you mean you added a bright spot or made the subject appear as if you were shining a spotlight on it that wasn't really there. To my mind, lighting is a major element.
 07/25/2006 02:58:24 PM · #21
Ok I sent it via help. Now I am sure I should get a head start on reshooting my picture. :)
 07/25/2006 03:23:18 PM · #22
Here is the response email I received.

Blurring the background is ok if you do not completely obscure the
background elements. In other words, they can be blurred, but recognizable
from the original photo. Cloning out some spots on the subject is ok,
as long as you are not removing anything major from the photo. If by
spots, you mean all the spots from a leopard, then no, not legal. If by
spots you mean a zit on the forhead of a teenage girl, then probably
legal. That spotlight thing might get you though. If you added
something that was not in the original, then you'll probably be DQed. You can
use a spotlight filter to ENHANCE a spotlight that was already
there...but if it wasn't there to begin with, it's probably a DQ. The best way
for us to determine legality is for you to submit to us the before and
after versions with editing steps so we can check it out.
I know this is kind of a yes/no answer, but without seeing the photos,
it's hard to say one way or another.
~Heather~
 07/25/2006 03:49:21 PM · #23
Heather and the SC are wonderful. If I have any bit of doubt on an entry, I send them the image and get a verdict :)

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