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07/24/2006 08:54:37 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by dunnewold:
A white item in my shot has a very slight yellow tint to it. Shooting in jpg with saturation set to -2 makes this less noticeable. In no way does this violate (my interpretation of) the spirit of the contest rules. Does it violate the letter of the contest rules? |
Why don't you shoot it in raw and fix the white balance afterwards? But if you don't think desaturating in camera violates the spirit of "desaturating results in DQ', more power to you. |
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07/24/2006 09:15:00 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Originally posted by dunnewold:
A white item in my shot has a very slight yellow tint to it. Shooting in jpg with saturation set to -2 makes this less noticeable. In no way does this violate (my interpretation of) the spirit of the contest rules. Does it violate the letter of the contest rules? |
Why don't you shoot it in raw and fix the white balance afterwards? But if you don't think desaturating in camera violates the spirit of "desaturating results in DQ', more power to you. |
White balance doesn't work because other elements are truly white, while this certain one is slightly off-white. Hmmm... maybe I'll ask the SC. |
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07/24/2006 09:32:12 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by dunnewold:
A white item in my shot has a very slight yellow tint to it. Shooting in jpg with saturation set to -2 makes this less noticeable. In no way does this violate (my interpretation of) the spirit of the contest rules. Does it violate the letter of the contest rules? |
I have the same issue but intend to leave it as I'm not too good at PS. This thread mentions a technique you may like to employ if you shot in RAW. I'd love to try it but don't have the skills yet ;) |
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07/24/2006 09:33:22 PM · #29 |
| I hope this isn't a silly question, but here it goes. I know I can't use the desaturation adjustment. What about other adjustments such as brightness/contrast, level, and curves. Since it isn't mentioned, I ass-u-me it's legal. Am I right, or am I wrong? :-) Thanks. |
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07/24/2006 09:52:32 PM · #30 |
OMG!! I thought it said Black & WHite on Color. So i shot a black & white object with a colored background. Does this matter?
Originally posted by jenesis:
Originally posted by gayle43103:
I totally get these challenges. And you don't have to be really creative either. I came across my black/white on color quite easily. Will be interesting to see what people turn out.
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Just so as not to confuse others, It's actually black and white IN color. Not black and white ON color. Totally different ballgame there. :-) |
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07/24/2006 09:54:28 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
OMG!! I thought it said Black & WHite on Color. So i shot a black & white object with a colored background. Does this matter?
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No, the challenge says the SUBJECT should be in B&W, nothing is mentioned about the background colour. |
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07/24/2006 09:56:10 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
OMG!! I thought it said Black & WHite on Color. So i shot a black & white object with a colored background. Does this matter?
Originally posted by jenesis:
Originally posted by gayle43103:
I totally get these challenges. And you don't have to be really creative either. I came across my black/white on color quite easily. Will be interesting to see what people turn out.
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Just so as not to confuse others, It's actually black and white IN color. Not black and white ON color. Totally different ballgame there. :-) |
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Message edited by author 2006-07-24 21:56:50. |
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07/25/2006 01:48:13 AM · #33 |
I am still confused about the B&W in Color Challenge. It is very hard to get only black, white and grey when you take a photo in color. Even when I paint a picture, my whites have subtle shades of yellow, blue pink, etc. from reflecting light to show warmth or coolness and texture. Blacks often have blue or green in them. Are these subtle colors acceptable in this challenge? |
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07/25/2006 06:43:52 AM · #34 |
if its not a pure black and white subject it will probably get voted down. did you set your white balance?
Originally posted by myra:
I am still confused about the B&W in Color Challenge. It is very hard to get only black, white and grey when you take a photo in color. Even when I paint a picture, my whites have subtle shades of yellow, blue pink, etc. from reflecting light to show warmth or coolness and texture. Blacks often have blue or green in them. Are these subtle colors acceptable in this challenge? |
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07/25/2006 07:19:55 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by margiemu:
so... this says the subject has to be black and white, not the whole photo, the way I read it. Woudn't something like a penguin be considered a black and white subject, even if it has a yellow beak? In other color challenges, not the whole image had to be that color, it just had to be predominate. Or am I totally missing the point here? |
At least personally, I think this is what I'm picturing for the challenge. If I were to set up a shot and take one photo in color, and then change the camera settings to shoot in b/w and take another photo... when I look at the two photos side by side there should be almost no difference. So the yellow beak would look different in the two photos. Again, just my interpretation.
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07/25/2006 07:29:58 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by jpeters:
You're photo should be black and white, without you converting it to black and white. So everything in your photo should be either black or white to begin with. |
I'm struggling with this. Are you saying that in the Colour/B&W Challenge that there should be nothing other than Black and White?? Any colour in the shot and you think people will mark it down, even if the main subject is B&W??
Does that make sense?!
Message edited by author 2006-07-25 07:33:10.
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07/25/2006 07:36:16 AM · #37 |
yeh see this is whats confusing me, it says that the subject should be Black & White. It DOESNT say that you CANT have color in the photo, so I dont know why certain people think we have to have everything B&W. My background is green.
Originally posted by talj:
Originally posted by jpeters:
You're photo should be black and white, without you converting it to black and white. So everything in your photo should be either black or white to begin with. |
I'm struggling with this. Are you saying that in the Colour/B&W Challenge that there should be nothing other than Black and White?? Any colour in the shot and you think people will mark it down, even if the main subject of the shot is B&W?? |
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07/25/2006 07:44:36 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
yeh see this is whats confusing me, it says that the subject should be Black & White. It DOESNT say that you CANT have color in the photo, so I dont know why certain people think we have to have everything B&W. My background is green.
Originally posted by talj:
Originally posted by jpeters:
You're photo should be black and white, without you converting it to black and white. So everything in your photo should be either black or white to begin with. |
I'm struggling with this. Are you saying that in the Colour/B&W Challenge that there should be nothing other than Black and White?? Any colour in the shot and you think people will mark it down, even if the main subject of the shot is B&W?? |
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I think part of what is giving me the impression that it shouldn't be on a color background is the challenge that it is up against. Often times the two challenges are listed together for a reason. In this case one challenge will be hundreds of photos that are full of color, the other set of photos will be ones with no color. The ideas seem to compliment each other well. Black and White in Color is referring more to a B/W photo taken with color film rather than a B/W subject in a color environment.
Then again, this is just one person's opinion, and I could be really surprised when I see the entries.
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07/25/2006 07:56:10 AM · #39 |
yeh, but look at what it says...... "Description: Take a COLOR photo of a black & white (or grayscale) subject or subjects." So does this mean you think the subject should take up the whole photo? or that the subject should be black & white and also the background? Doesnt make sense. I dont think this "So everything in your photo should be either black or white to begin with" shouldve been posted. I think its confusing people. It doesnt say anything about the background and hopefully everyone will read the description.
Originally posted by kteach:
Originally posted by queanbeez:
yeh see this is whats confusing me, it says that the subject should be Black & White. It DOESNT say that you CANT have color in the photo, so I dont know why certain people think we have to have everything B&W. My background is green.
Originally posted by talj:
Originally posted by jpeters:
You're photo should be black and white, without you converting it to black and white. So everything in your photo should be either black or white to begin with. |
I'm struggling with this. Are you saying that in the Colour/B&W Challenge that there should be nothing other than Black and White?? Any colour in the shot and you think people will mark it down, even if the main subject of the shot is B&W?? |
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I think part of what is giving me the impression that it shouldn't be on a color background is the challenge that it is up against. Often times the two challenges are listed together for a reason. In this case one challenge will be hundreds of photos that are full of color, the other set of photos will be ones with no color. The ideas seem to compliment each other well. Black and White in Color is referring more to a B/W photo taken with color film rather than a B/W subject in a color environment.
Then again, this is just one person's opinion, and I could be really surprised when I see the entries. |
Message edited by author 2006-07-25 08:30:57.
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07/25/2006 08:00:56 AM · #40 |
As I see it your entry has to be a color shot of a black and white subject. Can someone tell us specifically where it says you cannont have any color in your entry? Or is that just someone's guess about how the voters will approach the topic? What would be the point of shooting in color if absolutely no color is permitted in the product? Because you are supposed to achieve this effect without shooting in B&W or desaturating, I would expect any shoot that is totally B&W without any trace or hint of color could raise suspicions, and possibly get a validation request.
Moving your camera's saturation setting to the lowest level is certainly a legal approach. But it may not result in a satisfactory image.
As usual, we are left to guess at what the voters will do.
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07/25/2006 08:03:56 AM · #41 |
hopefully everyone is thinking like us, because i'm not pullin my image!
Originally posted by coolhar:
As I see it your entry has to be a color shot of a black and white subject. Can someone tell us specifically where it says you cannont have any color in your entry? Or is that just someone's guess about how the voters will approach the topic? What would be the point of shooting in color if absolutely no color is permitted in the product? Because you are supposed to achieve this effect without shooting in B&W or desaturating, I would expect any shoot that is totally B&W without any trace or hint of color could raise suspicions, and possibly get a validation request.
Moving your camera's saturation setting to the lowest level is certainly a legal approach. But it may not result in a satisfactory image.
As usual, we are left to guess at what the voters will do. |
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07/25/2006 08:12:57 AM · #42 |
| I will vote on this challenge with a fairly loose (yet I believe accurate) interpretation of the challenge. The subject should be black and white. THE SUBJECT. Background color is fine and dandy. If there is some color in the subject (the beak on a penguin) that is fine by me - as long as the subject is black and white (or greyscale though I guess I cant think of amything off hand that I would call greyscale). I believe that the intetnion of the description was to prevent people from taking a picture and turning it into black and white. I dont believe the goal was to have everyone take a totally black and white picture yet I expect some of those type shots and I believe they fit the challenge perfectly as well. So all of you who have some color in your shots along with your black and white subject - I may throw you an extra point or two. I think that the use of color to make your subject stand out will make for some great and powerful photos. And thats what I want to see - some great photos. Good luck all and here is hoping for seeing some better scores than what are residing in the Gold thread. |
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07/25/2006 08:13:22 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by kteach:
I think part of what is giving me the impression that it shouldn't be on a color background is the challenge that it is up against. Often times the two challenges are listed together for a reason. In this case one challenge will be hundreds of photos that are full of color, the other set of photos will be ones with no color. The ideas seem to compliment each other well. Black and White in Color is referring more to a B/W photo taken with color film rather than a B/W subject in a color environment.
Then again, this is just one person's opinion, and I could be really surprised when I see the entries. |
Perhaps photographers with a background in shooting film have a different perspective on these two challenges than the ones who have only come to photography in digital times. If I am following your logic correctly you would vote down, as DNMC, an image in the Color on Color challenge that has any black or white in it.
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07/25/2006 08:17:59 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
... The color on color says that it has to be "Color on Color" so if someone takes a photo of a red apple on a green book with a black background it shouldnt matter. It would still meet the challenge IMO. ... |
I think it does matter for the Color on Color challenge. If you read the description it specifically states the subject and background should be of the same color. That's the whole purpose of that challenge.
Challenge Description:
Take a picture of a colored subject or subjects on the same color background.
edit to fix spacing.
Message edited by author 2006-07-25 08:18:16. |
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07/25/2006 08:18:03 AM · #45 |
I am worried for different reason. My black and white entery look so much black and white that i am afraid i will get disco requests just claiming that i is shot black and white and not in color.
Though, if one look carefully he can spot that there is little frindge of blue somewhere in the photo. Otherwise its wonderful photo. First time decided to use tripod for challenge entery.
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07/25/2006 08:29:50 AM · #46 |
I'm kinda hoping that people realize the something unique about my photo. Like how it can be used in the black and white challenge and the color on color. I specifically tailored the photo to fit either challenge because i wasn't sure which one I wanted to enter.
As for what could be greyscale. I think some metals would fit a greyscale category...for example, silver I would say fits greyscale. |
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07/25/2006 08:30:10 AM · #47 |
oops you are correct i'll go edit incase someone reads my post!
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by queanbeez:
... The color on color says that it has to be "Color on Color" so if someone takes a photo of a red apple on a green book with a black background it shouldnt matter. It would still meet the challenge IMO. ... |
I think it does matter for the Color on Color challenge. If you read the description it specifically states the subject and background should be of the same color. That's the whole purpose of that challenge.
Challenge Description:
Take a picture of a colored subject or subjects on the same color background.
edit to fix spacing. |
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07/25/2006 08:30:43 AM · #48 |
both of these challenges have a purpose - to allow photographers to learn how to shoot under varying circumstances.
The color on color, similar to white on white and black on black, forces a photographer to use light and shadow to give dimension to their subject. It is much more of a challenge to shoot a background and an object of the same color and still allow the viewer to separate them visually. The winner will do that well.
The black and white subject IN color (any background allowed) is an exercise in lighting and color control. What kind of lighting do you need for white to be white?
At any rate, take the challenges for what they are: exercises to improve your photography. Stop bickering about if this meets YOUR interpretation of the challenge or if this DNMC and go learn! |
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07/25/2006 08:32:35 AM · #49 |
we werent bickering just answering a question to someone who was confused.
Originally posted by dahkota:
both of these challenges have a purpose - to allow photographers to learn how to shoot under varying circumstances.
The color on color, similar to white on white and black on black, forces a photographer to use light and shadow to give dimension to their subject. It is much more of a challenge to shoot a background and an object of the same color and still allow the viewer to separate them visually. The winner will do that well.
The black and white subject IN color (any background allowed) is an exercise in lighting and color control. What kind of lighting do you need for white to be white?
At any rate, take the challenges for what they are: exercises to improve your photography. Stop bickering about if this meets YOUR interpretation of the challenge or if this DNMC and go learn! |
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07/25/2006 08:37:34 AM · #50 |
| These threads aren't bickering, but clarifying the challenge. You can't learn if you don't know what you are learning. Coming to these threads allows you to see other peoples interpretations and let you compare them to yours. So in the end we all have somewhat of a similar interpretation of the rules (not what to shoot). A thread like this is VERY good because now when people go vote, they are more open to the different entries. Already you saw someone who realized that they misread one of the challenge rules. If it weren't for this thread, that person would have been rating photos higher or lower based of what they misread. It's better to have an easier understanding of the challenge to get more quality practice in. |
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