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07/21/2006 08:28:49 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by vencap:
A photographer in a pharmacy takes passport photos of people, is not an artist... ALL people in DPC are artists.
Thanks. I just joined 1 month ago and for $25 I'm instantly an artist. I don't feel that I qualify yet as I just barely am breaking 5.0 scores
Next targets 5.5 and make the 50%.
Thanks to everyone here for feedback and encouragement. I enjoy the voting to see all the really great images.
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Don't tie your vision of yourself as an artist to your average DPC score. While this is a compitition amoungst artists, no one can really say is one piece of art is "better" than another.
Use this site as a way to improve your skills and expose yourself to many techiques and styles. Many low scoring images taken out of the challenge context are truly amazing on their own.
Much of the voting is determined by how well an image meets a challenge topic, not on the artistic value of the image.
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07/21/2006 08:54:11 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by focuspoint:
... Not all photography is art, but it sure is an "ART" in my book...
... ALL people in DPC are artists.
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Originally posted by blindjustice:
... The truth is , Photography is art/ plain and simple. It can also be fine art. ... |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Don't tie your vision of yourself as an artist to your average DPC score. While this is a compitition amoungst artists, no one can really say is one piece of art is "better" than another. ... |
I'm just trying to be a photographer, please don't force me to be an artist. Some photography is art, some art is photography. They overlap but are not inclusive. Art is in the eye of the beholder. No one can make themself be an artist. It is only the viewer who can rightfully call you an artist, and call your images works of art.
I think that many of Ben's (Konador's) works shown here at dpc are artistic and deserve to be included in an exibition.
Good Luck in your efforts to get this ridiculous decision reversed Ben.
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07/21/2006 11:33:55 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Cameras make it so easy nowadays to get a great exposure it does a great disservice to the artisan photographer. I mean, I doesn't he when your four year old can point and shoot a pretty good portrait or interesting perspective of something by accident. Your four year old can't accidentally paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
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My four year old painted the wall :-) Framed one of his paintings and my sister in law put it on her desk--her coworkers thought it was an abstract by a "real" artist.
Cameras that take all the technical details out of taking a good photograph allow the photographer to concentrate more on the vision (the art?) part of photography. However, photoshop adds more technical complexity. Taking a picture is easier, but (I think) more post processing is performed -- in this sense, photography is becoming more like painting because the artist can manipulate the images to show things that were not there.
In my first photography class, the teacher pointed out two things:
1. We were all artists (although not necessarily good artists)
2. "Art is what you can get away with". (he quoted Andy Warhol).
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07/21/2006 11:40:46 AM · #79 |
The photographs don't arouse me. All I can think about is the hard work it took to make them. -Robert Motherwell
what else matters? |
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07/21/2006 01:02:27 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by hankk:
2. "Art is what you can get away with". (he quoted Andy Warhol). |
Very true.
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07/21/2006 01:27:48 PM · #81 |
The aim off art is to represent not the outward appearance of things, but their inward significance.
-Aristotle
does it really matter how it is produced? good luck Konador. art and rules seem to have a way of colliding. maybe, for the better? |
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07/21/2006 01:50:10 PM · #82 |
Thanks for the examples of places which define photography as art. I'll be able to quote these when I talk to the council. I didn't get around to doing it today, but I will for sure over the weekend or Monday if they're closed. I really hope they let me display my work, as I've been doing Photography for a good 4 years now, and not made any money other than DPCPrints. I've just not put my work out there for people to see.
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07/21/2006 02:16:21 PM · #83 |
Taking all this into account where does this all leave the artist who paints using a photograph as reference? I also consider photography an art. Good luck in your endeavour, hope you change their minds.
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07/21/2006 03:05:01 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
...I'm just trying to be a photographer, please don't force me to be an artist.
Some photography is art, some art is photography. They overlap but are not inclusive.
Art is in the eye of the beholder.
No one can make themself be an artist.
It is only the viewer who can rightfully call you an artist.... |
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1. The Celts and the Germans did this. They blinded the most useless member of their tribe leaving him little else to do but to tell or sing stories - the usefulness of the useless.
2. I agree.
3. If art is in the eye of the beholder, I pray it knows when to make a fist.
4. The longer I think about it, the more I believe it's true. Trauma, injustice, oppression - these are all better motivators.
5. Which viewer, what audience can be trusted with this kind of insight? The one who has never read any poetry except for what has managed to pass as such into a classroom, the one who condemns much contemporary work as degenerate or charlatanry or a collector of "Western Art? I'd rather leave the matter to a Mediterranean fisherman who can be presumed to have, at least, lived.
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07/21/2006 03:24:08 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
3. If art is in the eye of the beholder, I pray it knows when to make a fist.
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LMAO! So true, so true. LOL
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07/21/2006 03:26:42 PM · #86 |
Ben - just rename your exhibition - "Paintings with light" - that should shut them up!
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07/21/2006 03:37:55 PM · #87 |
1. The Celts and the Germans did this. They blinded the most useless member of their tribe leaving him little else to do but to tell or sing stories - the usefulness of the useless.
i hate to ask how they determined the most useless members? |
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07/21/2006 03:44:57 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
1. The Celts and the Germans did this. They blinded the most useless member of their tribe leaving him little else to do but to tell or sing stories - the usefulness of the useless.
i hate to ask how they determined the most useless members? |
Well, I'm not that old, but I guess they did as we do: they probably looked at men without power, wealth and influence.
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07/21/2006 03:58:22 PM · #89 |
| what a line of demarcation that would be. |
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07/21/2006 04:53:57 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
... 5. Which viewer, what audience can be trusted with this kind of insight? The one who has never read any poetry except for what has managed to pass as such into a classroom, the one who condemns much contemporary work as degenerate or charlatanry or a collector of "Western Art? I'd rather leave the matter to a Mediterranean fisherman who can be presumed to have, at least, lived. |
Any or all, but just not the person who painted, wrote, or sculpted the proposed work of art. The fisherman would be fine with me.
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07/21/2006 05:51:42 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
... 5. Which viewer, what audience can be trusted with this kind of insight? The one who has never read any poetry except for what has managed to pass as such into a classroom, the one who condemns much contemporary work as degenerate or charlatanry or a collector of "Western Art? I'd rather leave the matter to a Mediterranean fisherman who can be presumed to have, at least, lived.
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Any or all, but just not the person who painted, wrote, or sculpted the proposed work of art. The fisherman would be fine with me. |
i want them both. |
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07/22/2006 11:54:41 AM · #92 |
I just came across this summary of the work of Edgar Degas -- I find the last parts especially interesting, as it sounds like he was trying to paint in almost a photographic style ...
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Reknowned artist Edgar Degas was born in Paris, France, on July 19, 1834. He was the son of a banker named Augustin de Gas and his wife Celestine Musson de Gas. The family was moderately wealthy and lived a good life in Paris of the 19th century. Degas actually begain his school at the age of 11 and immediately started on the path of an artist by enrolling in the Lycee Louis Grand.
He actually started painting very seriously at an early age and by the time he was 18 he had turned a room in his own home into a studio. Expected to go to law school, as was the course with aristocratic men of the age, Degas dropped out at the age of twenty to devote his life to his painting.
More often than not Degas is described as an Impressionist. By the later part of the 1960s, Degas had developed his own painting style.
His style was considered different from that of the more conventional art world. He specialized in painting women at work, opera performers, dancers and the like. He also painted cafe life extensively. He utilized bold strokes and vibrant colors in much of his more famous works. In many ways, his paintings have come to be considered "snapshots," freezing moments of life accurately and very completely. He also tended to paint from rather unusual angles. He had a self-expressed goal, which he hoped to realize in his work, of bewitching the truth. |
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