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07/10/2006 05:42:31 PM · #76 |
We should ALL read THIS THREAD again... |
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07/10/2006 05:42:51 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by yanko:
What also isn't productive is you saying something is great when it wasn't for the challenge. |
Not at all, you can have a great photo that doesn't meet the challenge. The comment is related specifically to the photo not necessarily the challenge. |
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07/10/2006 05:55:55 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
The problem here is that I would be looking for all the people with nice equipment and only leave trashing comments on their photos. Well, maybe not "all" the people. Small women, children, the handicapped, and elderly though would all be receiving a lot of comments from me. |
So you're saying you haven't thought about upgrading to a 5D. Here's your chance. Me, I plan on airing the 'cage matches' on pay-per view and retiring in a few months.
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07/10/2006 05:59:56 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by vxpra:
So you're saying you haven't thought about upgrading to a 5D. Here's your chance. Me, I plan on airing the 'cage matches' on pay-per view and retiring in a few months. |
No, I thought about it quite a bit and bought the 30D instead. I will of course have to reserve the merchandising rights and retain the copyright to my cape and tights. |
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07/11/2006 05:44:16 PM · #80 |
"I think there definitely is a place (and a need) for both Comments and Critiques here at DPC."
I thought I'd pipe in as one of the commenters of the photo in question. Yes, I said, "great color" and I scored it a 5. I didn't think that every comment I left needed to be a critique. I have left 744 comments and 584 have been deemed helpful. That's in 4 months. So about 175 comments a month are considered helpful. Seems all right to me.
I just didn't have much to say about this photo. I thought it was fine and I did really like the color. I didn't feel there was much technically to say about it. I was just trying for 100% voting, 100% commenting on this challenge since I actually like flower photos, take many of them (gasp!) and feel that I can say something about most of them.
I think that there are valuable things to be learned from comments, but I also think that it's nice to just tell people what you liked about a photo. Perhaps I could have done it more completely, but then again I could have refrained from saying anything at all. I know I personally am always a little sad when I only get 1 or 2 comments on a photo. I would prefer to know that people are looking at it, thinking for at least a second and voting. Otherwise it's hard to tell that it's not just a blind vote.
Also, the way the site suggests that comments be used is when you are considering voting low. I believe that for every shot I voted below a 4 or a 5 I gave much more detailed comments. That way they know why they were below average.
Just my thoughts as one of the "perpetrators"! :)
Message edited by author 2006-07-11 17:44:39. |
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07/11/2006 05:56:09 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
What does "sadsfa" mean? |
I use that all the time. It can mean one of the following:
1. Such A Damn Super Fine Arrangement!
2. Stupid, Assinine, Dreary Shot From an Amateur
3. So, A Deer Shot For Art?
4. Sex And Drugs Sells Frequent Ads
usastv (Using Shorthand Acronyms Saves Time Voting)
Message edited by author 2006-07-11 17:57:04. |
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07/11/2006 05:56:10 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by electina:
"I think there definitely is a place (and a need) for both Comments and Critiques here at DPC."
I thought I'd pipe in as one of the commenters of the photo in question. Yes, I said, "great color" and I scored it a 5. I didn't think that every comment I left needed to be a critique. I have left 744 comments and 584 have been deemed helpful. That's in 4 months. So about 175 comments a month are considered helpful. Seems all right to me.
I just didn't have much to say about this photo. I thought it was fine and I did really like the color. I didn't feel there was much technically to say about it. I was just trying for 100% voting, 100% commenting on this challenge since I actually like flower photos, take many of them (gasp!) and feel that I can say something about most of them.
I think that there are valuable things to be learned from comments, but I also think that it's nice to just tell people what you liked about a photo. Perhaps I could have done it more completely, but then again I could have refrained from saying anything at all. I know I personally am always a little sad when I only get 1 or 2 comments on a photo. I would prefer to know that people are looking at it, thinking for at least a second and voting. Otherwise it's hard to tell that it's not just a blind vote.
Also, the way the site suggests that comments be used is when you are considering voting low. I believe that for every shot I voted below a 4 or a 5 I gave much more detailed comments. That way they know why they were below average.
Just my thoughts as one of the "perpetrators"! :) |
thanks for posting. I have no problem with your comment. and the fact that you said gret color and voted a 5 is fine with me. however that now means that 2 others (assuming 1 got scrubbed) complimented me and gave a total of 5 points combined. I don't mind the votes as that is thier opinion. I just find it funny that the complimented me then gave me a low score. |
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07/11/2006 06:00:41 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
thanks for posting. I have no problem with your comment. and the fact that you said gret color and voted a 5 is fine with me. however that now means that 2 others (assuming 1 got scrubbed) complimented me and gave a total of 5 points combined. I don't mind the votes as that is thier opinion. I just find it funny that the complimented me then gave me a low score. |
That is funny.
I guess I was mostly posting in reply to the people who think that all comments should be in depth critiques. I wish I had time to do that for all the photos I like and don't like every week. If I did I'd join the critique club! I just try to comment on the photos that I feel qualified to comment on, or on ones that I feel are terrible so that they know why they are terrible. |
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07/11/2006 06:22:12 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by mattmac:
What is a Comment?
What is a Critique?
Should you expect every comment to be a critique?
I think there definitely is a place (and a need) for both Comments and Critiques here at DPC.
The only problem is, on challenge entries, messages typed during voting about an image get lumped into one category, "Comments" |
I too wanted to revisit this idea. I think it highlights a very important difference that sometimes gets lost.
The comment box is just that, a COMMENT box. Nowhere does it say it is a "critique" box or that critiques are expected.
We as photographers may be expecting comments that border on or include critique-like variations, I know I treat the comment box as a critique box when I make my comments, but that's our own interpretation of what a helpful comment should include.
A comment such as "Nice job", "pretty", "hahahaha" may not be as in-depth as some might wish but they seem like legitimate comments to me.
I'd very much like to have a deliniation for whether the commenter would like their comment to be considered simply a comment or a critique. Both are equally useful if they are viewed in the correct context, but one (critiques) would carry a higher expectation and *might* alleviate the frustration people have with simple comments.
Just my 12 cents and support for a good idea.
- S
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07/11/2006 06:22:13 PM · #85 |
As alot of you know, I'm quite wordy and will leave small novels as comments at times, yet others I may only have a word or two, just because of the mood I was in, or how tired I was when I saw that particular image.
I think "I found this helpful" is totally dumb. Who cares? I leave a comment to express my feelings. If they find it helpful, or interesting, or something that makes them roll their eyes, then so be it.
Sure a technical in depth critique can be quite helpful, but sometimes it's ok to just get "amazing," or "funny," or "your mother wears combat boots." (just kidding)
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07/11/2006 06:35:54 PM · #86 |
Back to the comment rating system then? scale of 1 to 10?
I mean, if everyone makes such a big deal of comments, then we should have a resonable measure of feedback on our comments. Instead of a binary measure of helpfulness, one could be judged on the full measure of worthiness for their commenting techniqes as well.
Just think, you could then have threads titled "why was this comment marked a 1?!?", and people lamenting about how much they put into their CC or other comments just to be given a piddly 3.
For some it would put them off of commenting, for others, it would spur them on to becoming truly great commenters, instead of 5.5 average ones.
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07/11/2006 06:49:55 PM · #87 |
I think there should be a check box when you submit your photo on what type of comment you want. For Example
I have Tough skin comments _
Be Kind/ Please use Tact _
No Comments please _
Something like that! There are times I want to give a really in depth comment, but I dont want the person to come back later and be upset with me. How do I know that they want really in depth comments? Not everyone has thick skin, and not all the time. When it is a photo of a person I am careful, I never want someone to think I am judging the person in the photo. |
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07/11/2006 07:47:42 PM · #88 |
Yes, that dead horse gets resurrected every once in a while.
I'm one of those who, in great appreciation, is likely to leave something like: "OH, that is a great image!" or even "Good one!"
and even when I am commenting on an image that is not to hot, I try to remember the old adage, "if you can't say something good about it, don't say anything." So I tend to leave fairly gentle comments.
But then, someone comes along, and gets picky about comments. And only wants them if they meet a certain preconceived notion.
Okay, this is fine, but now (Sorry, Dr. Achoo, and Gbu,btw, but you brought that horsie back to life) if I comment on, say Dr Achoo's work in competition, and find out later that it was his and he doesn't like nice gentle comments, (Bleep!) it's ME that's wrong!
So label them anything you want, "Thanks for the Comment" is a nice neutral one; or have a box that says you don't want to hear about it,and lets finally euthanize that horsie once and for all.
Alice |
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07/11/2006 07:54:31 PM · #89 |
| "great color" says what struck you first and most about the picture. it's a perfectly valid comment. I could use more comments like that. |
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07/11/2006 09:06:11 PM · #90 |
| sadsfa - ROTFL. All I can say is "alskdjfoiawejporkjal;skdfjaplhlwlkd!" |
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07/11/2006 09:12:46 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by LucidLotus:
Originally posted by mattmac:
What is a Comment?
What is a Critique?
Should you expect every comment to be a critique?
I think there definitely is a place (and a need) for both Comments and Critiques here at DPC.
The only problem is, on challenge entries, messages typed during voting about an image get lumped into one category, "Comments" |
I too wanted to revisit this idea. I think it highlights a very important difference that sometimes gets lost.
The comment box is just that, a COMMENT box. Nowhere does it say it is a "critique" box or that critiques are expected.
We as photographers may be expecting comments that border on or include critique-like variations, I know I treat the comment box as a critique box when I make my comments, but that's our own interpretation of what a helpful comment should include.
A comment such as "Nice job", "pretty", "hahahaha" may not be as in-depth as some might wish but they seem like legitimate comments to me.
I'd very much like to have a deliniation for whether the commenter would like their comment to be considered simply a comment or a critique. Both are equally useful if they are viewed in the correct context, but one (critiques) would carry a higher expectation and *might* alleviate the frustration people have with simple comments.
Just my 12 cents and support for a good idea.
- S |
Very well put...not everything in those has to be an in-depth critique...that's what you ask for from the Critique Club...but that doesn't mean there can't be critiques left...just that someone can just say "I like this shot" and it can be left at that.
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07/11/2006 09:16:10 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Okay, this is fine, but now (Sorry, Dr. Achoo, and Gbu,btw, but you brought that horsie back to life) if I comment on, say Dr Achoo's work in competition, and find out later that it was his and he doesn't like nice gentle comments, (Bleep!) it's ME that's wrong! |
IF there were a comment feedback mechanism (there isn't) and IF I were in the minority for not liking gentle comments (who knows) then your rating (or whatever) for comments would be just fine. Some people wouldn't appreciate them, but we all know you can't please everybody all the time.
My original point for this thread was to give people a taste of why people complain. We often hear "I don't get enough feedback" and I think there is a somewhat collective rolling-of-the-eyes because not everybody feels the same way. However, I just wanted to point out the a 4.5-5.5 participant who received a very mixed message in their comments (thus making them useless). Maybe it spurs us all to leave "better" comments, whatever flavor we particularly like to leave (technical, impression, instinct, etc.)
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07/11/2006 09:20:57 PM · #93 |
If we do away with the chalenges and the photos, we would have much more room (and time) to put in various categories of comments and ratings on comments and comments on the ratings of the comments and replace the "photography" forums with forums about comments. Then change the name to DPComments.
That's my comment. Please mark it helpful, rate it a 10, five stars and two thumbs up or I will NEVER comment in this thread again.
Edit to add: I just realized I posted that without the bag on my head. *runs away. far away*
Message edited by author 2006-07-11 21:21:40. |
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07/11/2006 09:24:02 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
If we do away with the chalenges and the photos, we would have much more room (and time) to put in various categories of comments and ratings on comments and comments on the ratings of the comments and replace the "photography" forums with forums about comments. Then change the name to DPComments.
That's my comment. Please mark it helpful, rate it a 10, five stars and two thumbs up or I will NEVER comment in this thread again.
Edit to add: I just realized I posted that without the bag on my head. *runs away. far away* |
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07/11/2006 09:33:00 PM · #95 |
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07/11/2006 09:43:10 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Most people feel the need to give a technical critique. Personally, I find other types of critiques much more useful. I think people want to know how their photo makes you feel more than how technically excellent or poor you think it is. |
I think I need to learn about giving comments - there are too many "comment complaint & analyzing" threads lately, that it is discouraging. Sometimes I do come across photos that are beautiful, not because of technical aspects, but simply, beautiful - but I left without a comment because I dont know what to write. If I left a "good work" or a "beautiful photo" would I get myself analyzed in the forums? will my village get burned down? Will Art Roflmao use Godzilla on me? |
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07/11/2006 09:45:27 PM · #97 |
| My horroscope today (I'm sure he's a DPCer:)):What one person loves, another loathes. We know as much. We see as much. Yet when we come across something or someone that resonates harmoniously with one of our opinions, we hum with pleasure. And when we encounter something that conflicts with our view of how the world should be, we buzz with disapproval. Opinion is part of identity. Ultimately, from a cosmic point of view, it's trivial and transitory. Yet, in another equally important way, it's everything |
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07/11/2006 09:46:17 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by amber:
My horroscope today (I'm sure he's a DPCer:)):What one person loves, another loathes. We know as much. We see as much. Yet when we come across something or someone that resonates harmoniously with one of our opinions, we hum with pleasure. And when we encounter something that conflicts with our view of how the world should be, we buzz with disapproval. Opinion is part of identity. Ultimately, from a cosmic point of view, it's trivial and transitory. Yet, in another equally important way, it's everything |
I disagree. |
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07/11/2006 09:47:47 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by crayon:
If I left a "good work" or a "beautiful photo" would I get myself analyzed in the forums? will my village get burned down? Will Art Roflmao use Godzilla on me? |
Nope. I don't retaliate for ANY comments. I would burn your village for other reasons. |
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07/11/2006 09:48:53 PM · #100 |
| Are you buzzing with disapproval? |
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