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07/05/2006 11:43:19 PM · #1
I'm looking for an external flash for my finepix s9000. It has a hotshoe. The manual just states that it takes hotshoe flash. Looking through ebay to see what I could find, but everything seems to be specific to a particular camera. But not mine! The only one I could seem to find looks like it doesn't actually go on the camera but on a piece of metal that hooks to the bottom of the camera. Help! Please?
07/05/2006 11:46:18 PM · #2
You need a TTL flash. A slave flash only fires when it sees light from another flash.

TTL flashes use your camera's metering system to guage distance and sets the flash output accordingly.
07/05/2006 11:49:10 PM · #3
Your camera does not do TTL flash with external flash.
TTL is Thru The Lens, as in metering. The built in flash works this way, but fuji doesn;t offer any other options.

basically with a TTL flash you can put the camera in Av mode lets's say, and the camera will turn the flash on and off to provied the proper light for the aperture you chose. you change the aperture and you should still get a properly exposed photo.

with regular hot shoe flashes there is a chart - based on ISO and aperture it tells you how far you should be from the subject to get a properly exposed image. so if you change aperture you need to move or make a manual adjustment on the flash (if one is provided). You do all this by using hte GN (guide number) on the flash.
see //www.shortcourses.com/how/guidenumbers/guidenumbers.htm
07/05/2006 11:50:21 PM · #4
Are all the hotshoes the same size? Or are they made to only fit a specific camera?

edit: OK, you guys just confused the heck out of me. Can someone clarify please?

Message edited by author 2006-07-05 23:55:23.
07/05/2006 11:54:34 PM · #5
Originally posted by kdsprog:

Are all the hotshoes the same size? Or are they made to only fit a specific camera?


Hot shoes should be the same size, but different flashes have different power levels. Some may have too much power and fry your camera. Do research before using a flash not designed for your camera.
07/06/2006 12:06:09 AM · #6
You can use any flash with the camera, as long as the flash wasn't designed specifically for a certain camera. You should be looking for non-dedicated shoe-mount flashes.

Vivitar has three current models that will work on your camera. They range in price from $19 to $35 new at B&H.

Linky

Edit to add: Linky with more options

I used the Vivitar flashes a lot in college. Very sturdy brand.

Message edited by author 2006-07-06 00:08:30.
07/06/2006 12:08:57 AM · #7
Thanks Leroy!

07/06/2006 12:12:51 AM · #8
The S9000, as in many other prosumer cameras, have a "dumb" hotshoe.
No, that's not an insult, it's merely a term.

below here is something I copied from another place, but I think it works for you too:

John Glover , feb 28, 2004; 03:27 a.m.
The hot shoe on the S7000 is a completely undedicated shoe, a "dumb" flash shoe, so there is no information exchange at all between the camera and flash. As such, you will need either a manual flash unit or an automatic flash unit. There are several choices out there but the most popular ones seem to be the Vivitar 283 and 285 units along with the Sunpak 383. Personally, I've used a Pentax AF280T on my Fuji 6900 and it gives beautiful results. The biggest trick to getting well exposed images, at least with my 6900, is to experiment to find the best setting for the flash unit. Don't rely on the flash's auto settings. I've found when set as recommended by the flash, the images are much too harsh......stopping down the lens by 1 1/2 stops produces a much, much better image.
07/06/2006 12:16:09 AM · #9
Thanks crayon. Now I'm understanding much better. And thanks for the advice too! This will be my next purchase.
07/06/2006 12:21:28 AM · #10
Before crayon confuses you more ...lol.. a lot of the non-dedicated flashes have Auto mode. They use thier own sensors to judge the distance to the subject, instead of your camera's through the lens sensors.

They do have a tendency to be a bit over-zealous though, especially at close range. So, if you get a flash with auto mode, tinker with it, learn what its tendencies are and then learn how to compensate for its flaws.

Message edited by author 2006-07-06 00:22:33.
07/06/2006 08:34:52 AM · #11
And remember, with a flash, you don't cut down light by adjusting the shutter speed, you cut down on the light by adjusting the aperture...

Adjusting the shutter speed will change how much ambient (non-flash) light is let in... provided your aperture remains constant...

Again, experiment... I recommend starting with the camera in full manual mode and always shooting f/4 until you get the hang of shutter speed, then switching to 1/60 or 1/125 exclusively until you get a hang of the aperture...

A few exercises that you can work with could involve a measuring tape, a stationary subject and a single auxiliary light source (also stationary) like a bare 60W incandescent light bulb...

You will also learn a lot about color temperature. If it gets confusing to do that, switch the incandescent for a color balanced light...

The advantage to using an incandescent for testing is that you can see what areas are lit by the bulb because of the yellow color of the light... You can see the areas that are lit by the flash by the relatively blue temperature of light...
07/06/2006 10:00:27 AM · #12
Originally posted by faidoi:

Originally posted by kdsprog:

Are all the hotshoes the same size? Or are they made to only fit a specific camera?


Hot shoes should be the same size, but different flashes have different power levels. Some may have too much power and fry your camera. Do research before using a flash not designed for your camera.


What he is referring to is not the power of the flash, the Guide Number (GN) but the trigger voltage.
Don't worry about that - all the otehr Fuji cameras can take a 400v trigger voltage and i don't think you'll find any like that today (new anyway). Some canon camera's can do no more than 6v, so for them it's a big issue to watch out for.
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