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06/18/2006 06:26:43 PM · #1 |
| I recently bought a 20D and am really happy about it. But it seems like it overexposes (RAW) pictures compared to the 300D I used before. I haven't really compared all the settings on the cameras yet, but maybe someone here has dealt with the issue? Could it be the difference in light metering? |
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06/18/2006 06:30:32 PM · #2 |
| What does the histogram show? |
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06/19/2006 02:21:15 PM · #3 |
u compairing what u see on the back of the camera or what u see on ur computer?
have u still got ur 300D?
prehaps u could take the same picture with each camera and then compaire? |
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06/19/2006 02:58:20 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Bobster:
u compairing what u see on the back of the camera or what u see on ur computer?
have u still got ur 300D?
prehaps u could take the same picture with each camera and then compaire? |
Does your "y" and "o" on the keyboard not work? Is it really that much trouble to type those two extra letters? That is some hard shit to read dude.
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06/19/2006 03:42:46 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by rex:
Does your "y" and "o" on the keyboard not work? Is it really that much trouble to type those two extra letters? That is some hard shit to read dude. |
I must be spending too much time on myspace, I had to go back and reread his message to see what you were talking about... LOL. I've seen worse. Oh well..
OK... back to OP
Are you using the same metering modes? Remember the 300D didn't have a spot metering mode, the 20D does, I'm not sure which is default on the 20D.
Message edited by author 2006-06-19 15:43:07.
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06/19/2006 03:45:43 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by Bobster:
u compairing what u see on the back of the camera or what u see on ur computer?
have u still got ur 300D?
prehaps u could take the same picture with each camera and then compaire? |
Does your "y" and "o" on the keyboard not work? Is it really that much trouble to type those two extra letters? That is some hard shit to read dude. |
ur age is shoing. u dont txt msg do u?
me neither, but that's what it's from.
to OP
how do you have the exposure compensation set? on teh rebel it's takes effort to change it - on the 20D it moves via the dial on the back of the camera IF the dial is turned to the LINE (above the ON). very easy to move it all about accidentally.
i thoought my 300D was about 1/3 to 1/2 stop under on RAW files. the 30D seems more accurate.
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06/19/2006 03:46:48 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Are you using the same metering modes? Remember the 300D didn't have a spot metering mode, the 20D does, I'm not sure which is default on the 20D. |
30D has spot, 20D does not - it has evaluative, average and center waited averge. you get to choose = the 300D is default to eval i think, and center weighted in manual mode only.
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06/19/2006 07:04:44 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
ur age is shoing. u dont txt msg do u?
me neither, but that's what it's from. |
nah its not.. its 4om playing a MUD (multi user dungeon) 4 2 long bak in '95, also 4om spending as little time e-mailing in teh office as poss.. count urslf luky i'm not using 1337 talk ;)
if i spent my time typing long hand in all the forums i belong, it would probably take me all day to reply to stuff :) there's only one person that refuses to send me an e-mail if i use short words.. so i have to spend that extra little time sending him e-mails, everyone else seems to have taken it up anyway..
it also depends on what mood i'm in :D
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06/19/2006 07:25:56 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Bobster:
there's only one person that refuses to send me an e-mail if i use short words.. |
Three cheers for that person, the world needs more like him/her. |
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06/19/2006 07:32:49 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
30D has spot, 20D does not - it has evaluative, average and center waited averge. you get to choose = the 300D is default to eval i think, and center weighted in manual mode only. |
I thought I was sure the 20D had spot metering. Ick, guess I'll be skipping that stone in my upgrade path... LOL.
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06/19/2006 08:18:03 PM · #11 |
for two months, i believed that my auto modes on my 20d were screwed up, because my exposure was too dark. so, i spent months using manual mode only, even for sports. finally, i figured out that you can change the exposure to darker or lighter by twirling the thumbwheel i modes P, Tv, and Av. i must have accidently done that, and set the exposure to two or more stopps too dark.
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06/19/2006 08:24:51 PM · #12 |
I do know that the 300D has some inherent algorythims that make the pix soft.
Can this be one aspect of the loss of brightness as well?
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06/19/2006 08:25:34 PM · #13 |
Could it be the LCD brightness? This is something that really annoys me, but I now change the LCD brightness several times each day, to match the light I'm watching it on.
Goes something like this:
8pm: max brightness
9pm: 2 bumps down
10pm: 2 bums down
11pm: lowest brightness
The most important factor is still the histogram, but I like to review it somewhat close to what it is in terms of colors as well.
Is it just me, or does Canon have a serious LCD problem, I've seen cheap compactcameras with way better LCDs then what Canon has.
Cheeriooos!
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06/19/2006 08:42:18 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by mo5988:
for two months, i believed that my auto modes on my 20d were screwed up, because my exposure was too dark. so, i spent months using manual mode only, even for sports. finally, i figured out that you can change the exposure to darker or lighter by twirling the thumbwheel i modes P, Tv, and Av. i must have accidently done that, and set the exposure to two or more stopps too dark. |
Technically known as Exposure Compensation - a must learn for ALL dSLRs if you want to avoid blowing out th sky, subect etc... I almost always shot at -1/3 (0.3) at stop and go to 2/3s or a full (-) stop to blue up the skies.
Message edited by author 2006-06-19 20:42:42. |
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06/19/2006 09:01:31 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I thought I was sure the 20D had spot metering. Ick, guess I'll be skipping that stone in my upgrade path... LOL. |
That was one of the feature i wanted and why i got the 30D.
Now ask me if i use it...
Originally posted by American Horse:
I do know that the 300D has some inherent algorythims that make the pix soft.
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?? Where did you get this? Just the opposite is true- as you move up the canon camera foodchain you get softer pics, as canon figures you'll do more PP work on them. So says a canon pamphlet from a year ago or so. Not sure if teh Picture Styles concept is a way to change this thinking or not. Canon's do have a stronger than the competetion AA filter, so canon recomends a 300%, .3, 0 USM as a first step to offset this filter softening.
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06/19/2006 10:25:52 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
?? Where did you get this? Just the opposite is true- as you move up the canon camera foodchain you get softer pics, as canon figures you'll do more PP work on them. So says a canon pamphlet from a year ago or so. Not sure if teh Picture Styles concept is a way to change this thinking or not. Canon's do have a stronger than the competetion AA filter, so canon recomends a 300%, .3, 0 USM as a first step to offset this filter softening. |
I don't remember where I read it. I was considering hacking my 300d at one point when I came across the info.
My 1d m2 is soft like you mentioned, but truly, put up against the 300d, I don't have to sharpen as much as I do the 300d. Maybe it's just my body.
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06/20/2006 01:01:02 PM · #17 |
| Thanks everyone! Turned out I accidently overexposed my pictures 2 stops, just the way most of you thought I was doing. Great help! |
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06/20/2006 02:20:14 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
I don't remember where I read it. I was considering hacking my 300d at one point when I came across the info.
My 1d m2 is soft like you mentioned, but truly, put up against the 300d, I don't have to sharpen as much as I do the 300d. Maybe it's just my body. |
could be the settings. defaults can be modified, and the AA filter varies. I find i have to sharpen my 30D more than my 300D, as expected. My friend has a 1D mk2n and his pics seem almost too sharp.
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