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 06/18/2006 08:53:29 PM · #51
Hera and SC - I'm glad noone is taking this personally. Perhaps we can take a constructive approach here.

Hera - I might be getting this wrong but it sounds like you're more upset that the rules are rigid and were applied fairly than the rules themselves. I'm curious to know if you would recommend any rule changes and which ones so we can improve the site.

SC - Volunteer positions are usually never given the gratitude they deserve - so here's my contribution to redress it. Thanks for all you do.

06/18/2006 09:05:49 PM · #52
Admin/SC:
Can you please Disqualify my latest ribbon shot:

Yes, I was in the Hospital. Yes, I did contact a DPC member and ask that
extra time be allowed as I was in the hospital and had no way to get
the original in within the 48 hour period, and was sent nearly a week later.

If the rules can be "adjusted" for me, they should be for anyone with special circumstances.

06/18/2006 09:13:38 PM · #53
Brad, the fundamental difference in your situation and Hera's is that she *did* provide a file. It was not the original. We asked again. It still was not the original.

It wasn't just the 48 hour window. It was the fact that we couldn't get an *original.*

06/18/2006 09:17:00 PM · #54
This is probably off topic, but what happened to her first entry, it's not in her profile now. It was an abstract that got through the entire voting without a DQ request but in her notes on the photo she admitted to using 2 types of non-allowed layers. Why would that not be there now, I thought DQ'ed images still stayed in the profile.
 06/18/2006 09:25:35 PM · #55
Dear Brad,

Please do not ask a DQ for yourself. You are very kind.

My (hopefully) final note on this matter:

I shoot ONLY in Raw. Please everyone here, do not misunderstand me, or take me as a snob. I should have understand the simple rule way before joined the gang that if I enter any of my shots, the site needs for me to supply the Raw shot to prove dates data etc.

I just realized one thing after all this and 3 DQ's in few weeks. Even if I want to continue to compete among you, for the life of me, I can't supply my RAW files to any cyber competition.

It is like giving my work to an unknown source. If this is about trust, it should be mutually understood and respected that for me as a working photographer who is represented in galleries and through agents, I can't supply my work in large file sizes.

I guess it was my fault. The SC is doing the job that is asked for them to do.

I have been there, volunteering my time at camera clubs, and still being critiqued by members. So no hard feelings.

Cheers,

Hera

Originally posted by BradP:
Admin/SC:
Can you please Disqualify my latest ribbon shot:

Yes, I was in the Hospital. Yes, I did contact a DPC member and ask that
extra time be allowed as I was in the hospital and had no way to get
the original in within the 48 hour period, and was sent nearly a week later.

If the rules can be "adjusted" for me, they should be for anyone with special circumstances.
06/18/2006 09:32:03 PM · #56
Yes I am curious as well. I got the DQ message this afternoon, but it is also deleated. I was not shocked to get a DQ on it.

I was even suprised that it was never challenged before to DQ it. This even confused me a bit about the site's rules. It got challenged when I became a famious "DQ Rebel" few days ago. hehe

I did not hide my PS work on it from day one in my comments. But as I can see it needs a DQ request from a member to end up in the DQ bin.

Now it is in the grabage for some reason.

See bad fame can do for you? hehe

Cheers,

Hera

Originally posted by KarenNfld:
This is probably off topic, but what happened to her first entry, it's not in her profile now. It was an abstract that got through the entire voting without a DQ request but in her notes on the photo she admitted to using 2 types of non-allowed layers. Why would that not be there now, I thought DQ'ed images still stayed in the profile.
06/18/2006 09:39:39 PM · #57
Originally posted by Photopromo:


I just realized one thing after all this and 3 DQ's in few weeks. Even if I want to continue to compete among you, for the life of me, I can't supply my RAW files to any cyber competition.



We understand completely. There have been others in the same situations. That said, the only way we can insure fairness amongst all competitors is to require the unaltered RAW (if that is what you are shooting).

The issue has been brought up before, and yes, it is a matter of good old fashioned trust. The SC has absolutely no desire to use your (general your, not just to Photopromo) originals for any purpose other than validation.

Again, we understand why you (again, population general not just to Photopromo) can't/won't/don't want to provide the original. But, please understand why we have to take the stance that we do.
 06/18/2006 10:34:21 PM · #58
Originally posted by Photopromo:

I just realized one thing after all this and 3 DQ's in few weeks. Even if I want to continue to compete among you, for the life of me, I can't supply my RAW files to any cyber competition.

It is like giving my work to an unknown source. If this is about trust, it should be mutually understood and respected that for me as a working photographer who is represented in galleries and through agents, I can't supply my work in large file sizes.


Hhhhmmmm....this sounds vaguely familiar....same tone and everything reminds me of somone that used to be on here that was from ... Indonesia? Just an observation though...

Edit to Add: or was it the phillipines?



Message edited by author 2006-06-18 23:12:02.
 06/18/2006 10:39:53 PM · #59
i've just been asked for a validation on my indulgence image. i'm pretty sure it's ok, i certainly tried to stay in the rules. however, if it is DQed, that'll be my second in 5 challenges (ooops. i'm really not trying to cheat - i promise! it's all pure idiocy on my part). will that mean that my entry for desolation, that i worked pretty hard on shooting, will be automatically out?
 06/18/2006 10:43:42 PM · #60
Originally posted by xianart:
will that mean that my entry for desolation, that i worked pretty hard on shooting, will be automatically out?


I'm pretty sure it wouldn't affect already-submitted entries.
 06/18/2006 10:48:39 PM · #61
Originally posted by colyla:
[quote=Photopromo]Even if I want to continue to compete among you, for the life of me, I can't supply my RAW files to any cyber competition. It is like giving my work to an unknown source. If this is about trust, it should be mutually understood and respected that for me as a working photographer who is represented in galleries and through agents, I can't supply my work in large file sizes.


Your originals are only used for validation. They are not publically accessible, and we take copyright matters seriously. Large files submitted as originals are no more at risk than artwork handled by your own agents (probably less).
 06/19/2006 07:45:01 AM · #62
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
This is probably off topic, but what happened to her first entry, it's not in her profile now. It was an abstract that got through the entire voting without a DQ request but in her notes on the photo she admitted to using 2 types of non-allowed layers. Why would that not be there now, I thought DQ'ed images still stayed in the profile.

Good question. Reference to that image that was posted in this thread earlier also seems to have vanished. Hmmmm...
 06/19/2006 07:50:27 AM · #63
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
This is probably off topic, but what happened to her first entry, it's not in her profile now. It was an abstract that got through the entire voting without a DQ request but in her notes on the photo she admitted to using 2 types of non-allowed layers. Why would that not be there now, I thought DQ'ed images still stayed in the profile.

Good question. Reference to that image that was posted in this thread earlier also seems to have vanished. Hmmmm...

both images are still there. they don't show up in highest rated challenge entries, but they are in the list of challenges entered.
06/19/2006 07:53:19 AM · #64
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
...what happened to her first entry, it's not in her profile now. It was an abstract that got through the entire voting without a DQ request but in her notes on the photo she admitted to using 2 types of non-allowed layers. Why would that not be there now, I thought DQ'ed images still stayed in the profile.


It was apparently DQ'd at the photographer's request. Self-DQ's are hidden.
 06/19/2006 07:58:53 AM · #65
Originally posted by skiprow:
... both images are still there. they don't show up in highest rated challenge entries, but they are in the list of challenges entered. ...

Skip. It wasn't either of those. There was a third image.
 06/19/2006 07:59:40 AM · #66
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
...what happened to her first entry, it's not in her profile now. It was an abstract that got through the entire voting without a DQ request but in her notes on the photo she admitted to using 2 types of non-allowed layers. Why would that not be there now, I thought DQ'ed images still stayed in the profile.


It was apparently DQ'd at the photographer's request. Self-DQ's are hidden.

So the reference/conversation regarding that image in this thread went away also?
 06/19/2006 08:49:56 AM · #67
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by scalvert:
It was apparently DQ'd at the photographer's request. Self-DQ's are hidden.


So the reference/conversation regarding that image in this thread went away also?


No, there isn't a single hidden post in this thread. The discussion was in another thread.
 06/19/2006 09:04:55 AM · #68
Oh well. Here I am again. Gosh! I am so sorry that my DQ's created such commotion after I simply tried to explain my case public ally at the forum here.

I got the request from SC for my very first entry over this week-end. I went to the site, and posted the note "please DQ my shot"... It was very obvious from my technical data that I posted publicly that it was not a "Basic Editing" entry. But since it was never challenged it stayed there until sombody noticed it and challenged it.

There are so many rules here, that one can get confused. I for sure got confused. The site operators configured every rule possible not to get into trouble when someone would challenge the challenger. hehe

I just e-mailed Ursula this morning, and another SC member to ask them where I can send my RAW file of the DQ'ed ribbong winning shot. For this one time only, just to set the record straight.

Is there a way to do it? Without answering the initial automated e-mail I get from the site operators? They are all deleated and used up already.

I am waiting for an answer.

I just want to avoid all accusations and assumptions on who I am, where I come from, probably some even think that I am a faker. :)

My photographic works are represented by my two agents in Rome and in New York. My stock images are sold through a London based stock agency. None of these businesses mentioned above ever carry or ask my RAW files. They carry my low res jpgs (8"x12" size at 72 dpi saved for the web on high). Upon any sale, I am requested to FTP the agency my 300 dpi TIF files saved and worked from my original RAW shots. I FTP and get my money on regular basis at the end of each month. Plus some of my selected photos are sold in few art galleries as limited edition prints. These images can't be even given to anyone as a digital file. After selling the 12'th edition, they will no longer be available.

There has been several stock agencies who want to sell my work. Anyone or any agency who wants large files off the bat before any sales, I have been told by my legal consultant, not to deal with.

I am Armenian born in Turkey, educated in Paris, and now I live in Montreal. Married to a doctor for over 14 years, no kids.

I hope that this info helps everyone. (smiles)

Cheers,

Hera
06/19/2006 09:06:39 AM · #69
I just realised, there is another thread discussing my shot. Gosh! I truly feel special. hehe

Thanks for letting me know.

Cheers,

Hera

Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by scalvert:
It was apparently DQ'd at the photographer's request. Self-DQ's are hidden.


So the reference/conversation regarding that image in this thread went away also?


No, there isn't a single hidden post in this thread. The discussion was in another thread.
06/19/2006 09:19:22 AM · #70
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by scalvert:
It was apparently DQ'd at the photographer's request. Self-DQ's are hidden.


So the reference/conversation regarding that image in this thread went away also?


No, there isn't a single hidden post in this thread. The discussion was in another thread.

Oops! Thanks. ;^)
 06/19/2006 09:24:59 AM · #71


Originally posted by karmat:

We understand completely. There have been others in the same situations. That said, the only way we can insure fairness amongst all competitors is to require the unaltered RAW (if that is what you are shooting).


karmet,

If I set up camera up to create one RAW and jpg at the time of shooting, does the jpg count as the unaltered original? I'm assuming the jpg contains all the EXIF data you require?
 06/19/2006 09:30:48 AM · #72
Originally posted by iainmorrison111:
Originally posted by karmat:

We understand completely. There have been others in the same situations. That said, the only way we can insure fairness amongst all competitors is to require the unaltered RAW (if that is what you are shooting).


karmet,

If I set up camera up to create one RAW and jpg at the time of shooting, does the jpg count as the unaltered original? I'm assuming the jpg contains all the EXIF data you require?


Yes. When you shoot RAW+JPEG, the JPEG is also an original. If you are shooting specifically for a DPC challenge, setting the camera for RAW + Small JPEG can allow you to upload much smaller proof files and still reap the benefits of RAW.
 06/19/2006 09:44:27 AM · #73


Does the SLR Canon 10D have such function? Gosh! I hope so. I will earn something new today.

Cheers,

Hera

Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by iainmorrison111:
Originally posted by karmat:

We understand completely. There have been others in the same situations. That said, the only way we can insure fairness amongst all competitors is to require the unaltered RAW (if that is what you are shooting).


karmet,

If I set up camera up to create one RAW and jpg at the time of shooting, does the jpg count as the unaltered original? I'm assuming the jpg contains all the EXIF data you require?


Yes. When you shoot RAW+JPEG, the JPEG is also an original. If you are shooting specifically for a DPC challenge, setting the camera for RAW + Small JPEG can allow you to upload much smaller proof files and still reap the benefits of RAW.
06/19/2006 09:46:44 AM · #74
Yes it does. I have a 10D body, and have used this function.
 06/19/2006 09:55:51 AM · #75
Its sad that you have been DQ'd and the Photo is excellent, however we are all governed here by rules.

It seems even after all the publicity, forums, rules etc people still mess it all up!

Lets not forget this site is not life dependant! People are here for various reasons, some of which are -
to get help to improve their photography
to have their ego's massaged
to help others with advice
to just have a good time and make some very good friends

relax, enjoy

Message edited by author 2006-06-19 10:01:40.
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