Canon EOS 400D (Rebel XTi) & New L Lenses

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

08/24/2006 07:10:42 AM · #26

specs aren't so impressive

Originally posted by Manic:

//www.canon.co.uk/eos400d/index.asp for an official english product page :o)

MattO

Nikon D4

08/24/2006 07:21:35 AM · #27

Originally posted by hopper:

specs aren't so impressive

Originally posted by Manic:
//www.canon.co.uk/eos400d/index.asp for an official english product page :o)

They really arent all that impressive, 10 MP vs 8 MP really isnt that big a deal. Larger buffer for burst is pretty good, fps not impressive. What impresses me the most is the dust shaker. Having had Olympus stuff with dust removal and now dealing with the canon dust bunnies I can tell you that in itself is a wonderful thing. I wish they would have put it on the 30D I'm using now. But for the market they are trying to hit with the camera I'd say they definately have good enough specs.

MattO

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

08/24/2006 07:28:21 AM · #28

Originally posted by hopper:

specs aren't so impressive

That is ... until you realize this is meant to replace the "bottom end" of Canon's DSLR range. The rest of the line will have to see incremental improvements just to keep things even. Quite interesting....

Sigma 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 DC for Canon

08/24/2006 07:30:15 AM · #29

true, i guess it would have been more accurate to say the specs aren't much of an improvement over the 350D. the camera looks impressive for a non DSLR owner.

Originally posted by dwterry:

Originally posted by hopper:
specs aren't so impressive

That is ... until you realize this is meant to replace the "bottom end" of Canon's DSLR range. The rest of the line will have to see incremental improvements just to keep things even. Quite interesting....

Nigel

Canon EOS-40D

08/24/2006 08:57:34 AM · #30

I wonder how long it will be before the 30D gets replaced by a 40D?

agenkin

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

Nikon MF Nikkor 20mm f/3.5 AIS

08/24/2006 09:39:44 AM · #31

Originally posted by hopper:

specs aren't so impressive

No kidding. Still no spot metering, the LCD panel is gone (which takes away from the camera's ergonomics and likely battery life), most likely the same crappy viewfinder. The 10MP crop sensor is an unknown - I wonder whether the high ISO performance of this new sensor will be as impressive as that of Canon's 8MP sensor. From the first look at it, it seems that, price aside, the anti-dust feature is the only feature of this camera that would attract a potential buyer over the Nikon D80.

Prof_Fate

08/24/2006 11:00:54 AM · #32

Anti-dust is a big deal - only this one canon has it (of canon cams) and no nikon. One of the BIG complaints here and questions form those moving on up to a dSLR is about dust 'control', so this is a biggie IMO.

No top LCD..none of the rebels have it, so it's not a big deal, same with the 'wheel' on the back. Once you have it you won't give it up, but if you never had it you don't know any better.

No Spot metering...canon's metering is excellent and you don't need spot. My 30D has it, one of the reasons I got the camera. I don't use spot metering. Not needed.

$200 cheaper than the d80 or Alpha, so it's the most MP for the buck in a dSLR and many people buy that (believe me, WAY too many) MP's are the #1 most important thing.

there's still alot of film shooters out there with dSLRs - read PopPhoto and others and see the contest and FixIt submissions - so many have canon lenses but not a dSLR - this might make them move.

Message edited by author 2006-08-24 11:02:06.

Matthew

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Peleng 8mm f/3.5 Fisheye MC In M42 Mount

08/24/2006 11:20:11 AM · #33

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

No top LCD..none of the rebels have it, so it's not a big deal, same with the 'wheel' on the back. Once you have it you won't give it up, but if you never had it you don't know any better.

I think that the Rebels have a separate duotone LCD on the back - looking at the pics, the 400d has no dedicated separate LCD display. Owners will be reliant on the LCD picture monitor.

I agree with you on the rest. Plus, it has the 20/30D's focussing mechanism - I think that is a big improvement.

I think that this will be a big seller for Canon - the missing bits are the bits that make your life a bit easier for setting the camera up yourself. The main market for this camera is not people who are constantly fiddling with the settings themselves, but those who rely on a greater degree of automation.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/24/2006 11:33:41 AM · #34

I didn't see a price anywhere. A little help? Body only.

For us 300D dinosaurs, it's possibly a step up. I'm so used to not having certain features (spot metering) that it doesn't really matter. I do wonder about noise (possibly made even worse with the 10MP sensor) as I hardly even go to 800 on the 300D due to noise. I also wonder about the dust shaker. Wouldn't it just shake the dust back into the chamber only to land on your sensor again?

cryingdragon

Canon EOS-10D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

08/24/2006 11:34:57 AM · #35

I'm going to have no money until December...so, I'm taking donations from anyone who wants to support my habit. If you guys contribute, I'll guarantee there will be no more of these:

Rooster

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Sigma 28-105mm f/2.8-4.0 Aspherical for Canon

08/24/2006 11:42:01 AM · #36

seems to be coming out Sept. 2006. that's what it says on the canon website

Matthew

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Peleng 8mm f/3.5 Fisheye MC In M42 Mount

08/24/2006 12:03:32 PM · #37

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Wouldn't it just shake the dust back into the chamber only to land on your sensor again?

It comes with sticky pads inside the chamber!

digitalpins

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

08/24/2006 12:07:09 PM · #38

Originally posted by Rooster:

seems to be coming out Sept. 2006. that's what it says on the canon website

So I was going to be purchasing a second slr body anyway in the next month or in the furture sometime, now looks like I will wait and this is going to be the one I will get.

Prof_Fate

08/24/2006 01:27:28 PM · #39

//www.steves-digicams.com/pr/canon_08242006_rebelxti_pr.html

Steve's Digicams has more info, more pics...

2.5" LCD
looks to be 30D AF system and firmware (better focus, lower light useability, more accurate with 2.8 and faster lenses)
same 3fps as the XT, but double the buffer size
more info (details) on the dust removal system and dust mapping function

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

08/24/2006 01:33:21 PM · #40

The powerful and fast EF50mm f/1.2L USM lens will be available in November for an estimated selling price of $1,599**. The compact and universal EF70-200mm f/4L IS USM will also be available in November for an estimated selling price of $1,249.**

practically giving them away, i think i'll get 2 of each, just in case

agenkin

Nikon MF Nikkor 20mm f/3.5 AIS

08/24/2006 01:39:23 PM · #41

Originally posted by legalbeagle:

I think that this will be a big seller for Canon

I have no doubt, too, that Canon will be selling these cameras well in the consumer market - Canon is very marketing-savvy.

My point is that for an *informed* buyer, the new Canons (30D, 400D) are getting less interesting. We are seeing only marginal improvements, very little innovation, and ignoring of the shortcommings of the older models.

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

Peleng 8mm f/3.5 Fisheye MC In M42 Mount

08/24/2006 01:39:29 PM · #42

Originally posted by hopper:

The powerful and fast EF50mm f/1.2L USM lens will be available in November for an estimated selling price of $1,599**.

Wow, it's gotta be a heckuva lot better than the $75 EF50 1.8 for that price....

Matthew

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

08/24/2006 01:52:21 PM · #43

Originally posted by dwterry:

Originally posted by hopper:
The powerful and fast EF50mm f/1.2L USM lens will be available in November for an estimated selling price of $1,599**.

Wow, it's gotta be a heckuva lot better than the $75 EF50 1.8 for that price....

All for just two stops!

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

08/24/2006 01:53:57 PM · #44

Originally posted by hopper:

The powerful and fast EF50mm f/1.2L USM lens will be available in November for an estimated selling price of $1,599**.

Man, I'm still thinking about this one.... this price (if it's right) just totally bugs me. I paid $1600 for the Canon 70-200 2.8L IS. Now *that* is one heck of a lens. L quality. 2.8 aperture. Image Stabilization. And it zooms from 70-200.

The 50mm 1.2L just seems like it lacks versatility. No zoom, no IS (not that you'd need it). Nothing to make it feel like it's worth the same price as the 70-200 lens except for the L quality. Surely it doesn't have to cost this much? There can't be anywhere near as much glass in the 50mm lens, can there?

Am I off my rocker?

JonPM

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

08/24/2006 02:07:05 PM · #45

Cool, this one will be a bit bigger/heavier than the 350D. (510g vs 485g)

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

08/24/2006 02:13:47 PM · #46

//www.pbase.com/chenkiller0226/image/36609044

paper thin dof and sharper than a razor is hard to duplicate in photoshop, not to mention the ability to shoot in almost total darkeness.

but i agree ... too expensive

the 50 should be no more than 1100 and the zoom maybe 850

Originally posted by dwterry:

Originally posted by hopper:
The powerful and fast EF50mm f/1.2L USM lens will be available in November for an estimated selling price of $1,599**.

Man, I'm still thinking about this one.... this price (if it's right) just totally bugs me. I paid $1600 for the Canon 70-200 2.8L IS. Now *that* is one heck of a lens. L quality. 2.8 aperture. Image Stabilization. And it zooms from 70-200.

The 50mm 1.2L just seems like it lacks versatility. No zoom, no IS (not that you'd need it). Nothing to make it feel like it's worth the same price as the 70-200 lens except for the L quality. Surely it doesn't have to cost this much? There can't be anywhere near as much glass in the 50mm lens, can there?

Am I off my rocker?

Message edited by author 2006-08-24 14:14:14.

NstiG8tr

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

08/24/2006 02:24:09 PM · #47

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

$799 body only. $899 w/kit lens. It has some sort of sticky material in the chamber to hold the dust after it has been shakin' loose from sensor.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/24/2006 02:29:14 PM · #48

Originally posted by dwterry:

The 50mm 1.2L just seems like it lacks versatility. No zoom, no IS (not that you'd need it). Nothing to make it feel like it's worth the same price as the 70-200 lens except for the L quality. Surely it doesn't have to cost this much? There can't be anywhere near as much glass in the 50mm lens, can there?

Am I off my rocker?

I am sure L-quality aspherical lenses are not simple to produce.

For those comparing the 1.2 to the 1.8, it's probably more reasonable to question the difference between the 50/1.2 and the 50/1.4. USM is a big, big advantage over the little 1.8's glacial focusing for pros.

Message edited by author 2006-08-24 14:30:00.

Telehubbie

Canon EOS-40D