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08/25/2003 04:39:39 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by indigo997:
My boyfriend just recently pointed out to me that pitsaman is probably "pizza man". I've been thinking it was pit-samun all along. I'll never look at you the same way again.. or your bugs :P |
Is there any racism against Italians in that note? =)
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08/25/2003 04:45:24 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by stephan:
There were discussions about how original a photo can be and I think many people agreed that every photo should be viewed as if it was the first kind of it. Otherwise it will become very difficult to score any photo good, because everything was done before. |
It should be difficult to evaluate some photos, IMO. The rating, after all, will' reflect some indication of collective impression proportionate to the effort and consideration each voter may or may not have put into it.
No piece, however, exists in a vacuum. It exists, instead, in a cultural context. To ignore its tradition (or convention) is to strip it of any comparative tools and merits. If a work is clearly derivative (at its mildest) or blatantly imitative (a stronger charge), it is precisely so, because it has been done before, and likely 'better', because nothing is ever the same.
Exhibits:
ΓΆ€ΒΆ A gallerist, worth his salt, will even know how to go further and consider the wall he is going to hang a painting on.
ΓΆ€ΒΆ The Greek Poets frequently wrote simply. It was, then (!), quite effective to simply 'state' a thing or an observation. Art, in a later time, becomes more and more difficult to do, because of what we need to consider, before we can make it 'new' and 'fresh'.
For these reasons, it is my view, that the opposite of what stephan has said, is the more fruitful stance: every entry should be viewed as connected to all we can know and feel about it, limited only by the degree of our individual sensitization. |
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08/25/2003 04:53:11 PM · #28 |
I would love to see the EXIF data on the image so it can be validated as a true image. There was no noise, artifacts or other common CCD problems with low light photography. So, is it a real image or just a Photoshop creation? I wonder? But then, I was in the "dark" concerning both its value as art and humour. I was one of the "ones" and did not get it.
But, was there a signed model's release? Was the bear actually brown and not black at all? Was the image B&W or Colour? I simply have too many questions.
Oh ya. Does there not need to be some positive space in order to create the negative space in the first place? Oh, now I am really confused again...
Message edited by author 2003-08-25 16:55:34.
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08/25/2003 04:56:24 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Morgan:
But, was there a signed model's release? |
Not necessary unless the photographer plans to attempt commercial exploitation of the image. |
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08/25/2003 05:02:42 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Morgan:
But, was there a signed model's release? |
Not necessary unless the photographer plans to attempt commercial exploitation of the image. |
THAT BEER, I MEAN BEAR, WAS DEFINITELY EXPLOITED! Just look at the expression on his face. He was not a willing particpant in this creative effort, was he?
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08/25/2003 05:02:43 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Art, in a later time, becomes more and more difficult to do, because of what we need to consider, before we can make it 'new' and 'fresh'. |
I think that we speak of Art most of the time improperly.
You quote the Greeks, I quote you.. that is quite unlikely to be art.
Why? Maybe it's not about freshness, maybe it is also about risk.
Our times have their own freshness even if, unfortunately, it is much likely to be driven by evil.
To be an artist now, more than ever, does require to take risks.
A simple example?
//dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=29375
Of this pic, should not go unnoticed the title.
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08/25/2003 05:12:04 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Morgan:
THAT BEER, I MEAN BEAR, WAS DEFINITELY EXPLOITED! Just look at the expression on his face. He was not a willing particpant in this creative effort, was he? |
There are allegations that he was hired and is a professional model.
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08/25/2003 05:38:20 PM · #33 |
In the context of this thread I think it's intersting that I think 'Late Afternoon' and 'Burt Reynolds ...' are two very memorable shots submitted here. Burt Reynolds has for one or two people become a shorthand for a black photo (speaking as someone who's submitted one, and didn't come last with it) here.
For me, the trouble with 'Black Bear ...', amusing as it was, briefly, was that in order to have negative space you have to have positive space. Arguably, that photo contains nothing but positive space. Perhaps it would have madwe a better Fill The Frame entry? Some/most people aren't going to give you a high vote just because you're funny, you see.
Ed
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08/25/2003 07:31:57 PM · #34 |
I think that if you believe yourself, you have made a point
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08/27/2003 04:43:26 PM · #35 |
"This is an unreal character.. please avoid this."
Hey Glimpses, What is so "unreal" about having fun? This site is for fun and not to be taken so seriously to bash others art and sense of humor.Like I said before" take a chill pill"
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