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06/02/2006 09:52:27 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
I run AVG free, Zone Alarm, Eudora, and Firefox.. and I have been hit with exactly 0 viruses/trojans/worms in the last 3 years.
But of course, doomsayers will say that "It's only a matter of time!!! OMG!! SWITCH TO MAC!"
Heh.
Never ending really. Well, one day, if Mac ever has the market share that Microsoft has, you can expect countless viruses for that system too. bet on it.
In the meantime, you just do what you can and keep your ears and eyes open for the best combinations of software (and maybe a little common sense), to keep malicious programs off your system. And yes, that means stop going to porn sites and downloading the "latest funny things from your email" |
McViruses, McVulnerabilities and McMalware exist...McUsers just don't like to talk about em (it kind of hurts their crusade) or their bubble is so thick...
//www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1958180,00.asp
//www.us-cert.gov/cas/alerts/SA05-229A.html
//www.securemac.com/
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06/02/2006 10:01:34 AM · #52 |
C'mon...All these "newscasts" about vulnerabilities for Macs increasing are from AntiVirus software companies with a vested interest in selling their products...Show me a report of an ACTUAL successful attack on a Mac then maybe I'll have a look...
I have used Masc for 15 years with Zero trojan/virus/malware/spyware and that without ANY anti-virus or anti-trojan/anti-whatever software that PC people have to constantly update. The ONLY time I ever had a problem was when I gave in to mass hysteria and installed Norton Anti-virus and it screwed up my laptop so bad I had to reformat my hard drive. |
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06/02/2006 10:19:37 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by tmhalling:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
NAV keeps catching Trojans on my machine. I'm running Zone Alarm now as my firewall and it has slowed them down, but some are still getting through.
I usually look at them on Symantics website and the one thing they seem to have in common is that they are coming in through port 25. Is there anyway I can secure that hole?
I'm running WinXP SP2 fully updated. |
Before you panic many times system slowdowns are caused by NAV and Zone Alarm. They are two of the worst offenders when it comes to system slowdowns. They also behave very similar to a virus. Both programs are hard to remove and use a tremendous amount of system memory. I have used both programs in the past and paid for both. I regret it. You are paying a company to put their bloated anti-virus/firewall on your computer and use your system resources. Try Avast Anti-Virus for your virus and try enabling your hardware firewall through your cable/dsl modem router and run the Windows firewall. Avast is free for the home edition. Small memory footprint, boot time scan, restore, etc. Great program. Here is the link //www.avast.com/. |
Agree, about norton and za slowing stuff down. all av programs and and firewalls on desktop that run all the time will slow a system down and cause it to crash more often as they are always snooping in memory and thus trip stuff up from time to time. I recommend using your head and not downloading virus. Oz of prevention is worth Lb of cure. and 1oz of knowledge is worth 100lbs of av protection.
Alot of things Norton calls trojans is actually spyware, Get spybot and ad aware and use them to clean your system :) |
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06/02/2006 10:24:43 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
C'mon...All these "newscasts" about vulnerabilities for Macs increasing are from AntiVirus software companies with a vested interest in selling their products...Show me a report of an ACTUAL successful attack on a Mac then maybe I'll have a look...
I have used Masc for 15 years with Zero trojan/virus/malware/spyware and that without ANY anti-virus or anti-trojan/anti-whatever software that PC people have to constantly update. The ONLY time I ever had a problem was when I gave in to mass hysteria and installed Norton Anti-virus and it screwed up my laptop so bad I had to reformat my hard drive. |
Sure.. but you have to face it.. the more popular Macs get, the more and more people will start to target them for viruses. It's only common sense if not "hard fact". Once they become really mainstream, and the casual user starts using them in force.. they'll be just as bad.
so, revel in the fact that it's a niche market while you can. |
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06/02/2006 12:29:11 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
I have used Masc for 15 years with Zero trojan/virus/malware/spyware and that without ANY anti-virus or anti-trojan/anti-whatever software that PC people have to constantly update. The ONLY time I ever had a problem was when I gave in to mass hysteria and installed Norton Anti-virus and it screwed up my laptop so bad I had to reformat my hard drive. |
If you're throwing out the number 15, which would bring you back to true-MacOS and not the BSD derived OS it currently has. At that point, both MacOS and Win/DOS had about the same problem for viruses. If you go back another 8 years, you'll see that Apple was actually the start of the problem. The biggest difference now, is that using Outlook/Outlook Express as an attack vector has only appeared in the last decade. The BSD-based OSX is also has a decent concept of privilege separation, unlike its predecessor or the other platform beign discussed which limits some attack vectors, and makes detecting and cleaning problems much easier. |
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06/02/2006 12:42:52 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
Agree, about norton and za slowing stuff down. all av programs and and firewalls on desktop that run all the time will slow a system down and cause it to crash more often as they are always snooping in memory and thus trip stuff up from time to time. I recommend using your head and not downloading virus. Oz of prevention is worth Lb of cure. and 1oz of knowledge is worth 100lbs of av protection.
Alot of things Norton calls trojans is actually spyware, Get spybot and ad aware and use them to clean your system :) |
I run spybot search and destroy monthly and Yahoo Antispy weekly. I run NAV and Zone Alarm, have a fully updated OS and anti-virus, use Firfox as my browser (fully updated) and don't have an e-mail client installed. Nor do I run any P2P or bit torrent apps. In theory, I am a system admins dream user.
But, In the last month I got hit by Netsky.P, had a rootkit installed, and have had several trojans find their way onto my system. Netsky seems to be the cause of the breach, but I have no idea where I picked it up. NAV and McAfee's Stinger gave me a clean bill of health last night, but we shall see.
I'm not real happy that NAV let Netsky onto my system. Especially not happy that I had to manually delete that. NAV couldn't do anything about Netsky.P after it detected it.
I do believe I will be installing AVG or Avast today.
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06/02/2006 12:44:40 PM · #57 |
| Just make sure you uninstall NAV first. Glad you got it fixed Bro! |
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06/02/2006 12:59:26 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Just make sure you uninstall NAV first. Glad you got it fixed Bro! |
Thanks buddy. Yeah, I'll uninstall NAV first...I'll be off for a while when I do that. Will disconnect my computers ethernet cable while I uninstall and install AVG.
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06/02/2006 02:11:40 PM · #59 |
AVG gave me a clean bill of health too... woot!
I am impressed at how much faster it loads compared to NAV too.
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