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05/08/2006 04:15:23 AM · #1 |
From the NGM submission rules, this line was mentioned "Please provide only the original, unmodified digital camera image". I'm wondering how many of us are capable of producing a "wow factor" digital photo along that rule? Dare for a challenge on this rule?
maybe for DPC, we allow resize and cropping. That's it.
anyway, here is the link to the National Geographic rule page:
//www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/yourshot/rules.html |
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05/08/2006 05:56:28 AM · #2 |
I like it, that is a seriously cool idea! Now that's a challenge :)
How about calling the challenge Daguerreotype
Daguerreotype: An early photographic process (invented in 1839) where the impression made on a light-sensitive silver-coated metal plate is developed by mercury vapor. Each is an original since no duplication process exists.
Challenge Description - a challenge only for images straight out of the camera in colour or B&W. No exposure adjustment, no colour correction, no editing of any sort. Images intending to be submitted as monochromatic need to be shot in mono. I would think if we're going to this extent, cropping would not be allowed. The only adjustments allowed is to reduce to 640x and sharpen. Any other manipulation will result in disqualification.
Brett
Message edited by author 2006-05-08 05:59:32. |
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05/08/2006 09:23:23 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by KiwiPix:
I like it, that is a seriously cool idea! Now that's a challenge :) |
Brett, looks like nobody dares to take up the challenge.
I guess some of us are digital artists afterall :S
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05/08/2006 09:31:42 PM · #4 |
I think rules like the one for NG are a bit laughable. If you're shooting in RAW, you'd better make some post-shot corrections or few people will want to look at your photo. Pretty bland stuff compared to what your eye actually saw.
Prosumer and point and shoots do a lot more in-camera processing, and for that matter, any photographer in the dark room does wonders both in color and black and white. Time for these people to stop treating digital as if we're all a bunch of cheats and not photographers.
If they want to put a limit on post-processing to eliminate digital art, that would seem to make more sense to me. |
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05/08/2006 09:50:18 PM · #5 |
I think the rule is set that way, so NG photographers would put more emphasize on the content of the photo/composition/subject, rather than the technicalities of a photo that we (most DPC population) are all seemingly so obsessed with?
I think the statement above might offend some members here, but I'm just saying what I sometimes felt is happening on the site. My apologies in advance.
That said, I think it's a good refresher to have this as a challenge (for once) and regard it as a technical/learning challenge. cheers
Message edited by author 2006-05-08 21:53:36. |
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05/08/2006 10:21:20 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by rscorp:
If you're shooting in RAW, you'd better make some post-shot corrections or few people will want to look at your photo. Pretty bland stuff compared to what your eye actually saw. |
Ahh there's always a way .... lower your picture quality and shoot in TIFF or JPEG like the poor people do :)
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05/08/2006 10:26:09 PM · #7 |
No editing, I guess that means turn all incamera processing off (set all parameters as far to the left as possible).
edit: just playing devil's advocate. If you think straight from the camera equates to no editing then you're slightly confused about what the camera is doing to create a jpeg image.
Message edited by author 2006-05-08 22:28:49. |
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05/08/2006 10:29:14 PM · #8 |
| Do you guys think its possible the rule is there partly because NG will want to modify the image as they see fit (i.e. cropping to fit text)? |
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05/08/2006 10:40:18 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by zheka:
Do you guys think its possible the rule is there partly because NG will want to modify the image as they see fit (i.e. cropping to fit text)? |
maybe, but how many of us are capable of producing a "wow factor" digital photo directly out of the camera? |
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05/08/2006 10:42:48 PM · #10 |
NG had a bad experience a while back with a photog digitally maniputlating a photo and calling it real. What they mean by the "original" image is that they will accept your processed image (exposure comp, levels, curves, etc.) but want the origianl file to be assured the image is what you saw when you took it. It does not mean absolutly no processing. Just like DPC does here although they allow less maniputlation, no digital art.
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05/08/2006 10:46:25 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
NG had a bad experience a while back with a photog digitally maniputlating a photo and calling it real. What they mean by the "original" image is that they will accept your processed image (exposure comp, levels, curves, etc.) but want the origianl file to be assured the image is what you saw when you took it. It does not mean absolutly no processing. Just like DPC does here although they allow less maniputlation, no digital art. |
makes sense. no wonder they are paranoid, lol.
but the rules on their website now states "Please provide only the original, unmodified digital camera image". So any of you tried before and got your photos selected? |
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05/08/2006 10:55:12 PM · #12 |
These rules are for outsiders submitting images for possible inclusion in the magazine/web site. NG has a cutoff of 5,000 submissions per month, no more than one per shooter. They also have a hard-won reputation to be maintained for photographic integrity. They got hammered once for moving the pyramids closer together for a cover shot, something like that, and they are ultra gunshy.
It's kind of interesting because they allow submission only as a jpg. Which means, of course, that RAW shooters literally cannot provide the original file. And of course, RAW shooters can do anything to their file the camera would have allowed them to do before making it into a jpg, so...
I don't know how far they take this, really...
R.
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05/08/2006 11:10:54 PM · #13 |
I don't know why we should be so outraged at the suggestion, it is exactly what slide-photography has been for a hundred years.
You set it up in-camera and take the pic, the slide is an original 35mm (no crop) capture.
Let's have a challenge like that, it'd be really cool.
Brett
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05/08/2006 11:14:01 PM · #14 |
| This challenge will never happen. Mark my words! :P |
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05/08/2006 11:26:35 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by KiwiPix:
I don't know why we should be so outraged at the suggestion, it is exactly what slide-photography has been for a hundred years. |
some people get defensive about not being allowed to post-process their photos because... |
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05/08/2006 11:33:53 PM · #16 |
Sounds like a fun challenge to me :) well fun maybe pushing it LOL. But interesting it is. I'd go for it, shoot in jpeg anyways hehe. Just waiting to get 120gb drive.
Message edited by author 2006-05-08 23:36:21. |
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05/08/2006 11:33:53 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
These rules are for outsiders submitting images for possible inclusion in the magazine/web site. NG has a cutoff of 5,000 submissions per month, no more than one per shooter. They also have a hard-won reputation to be maintained for photographic integrity. They got hammered once for moving the pyramids closer together for a cover shot, something like that, and they are ultra gunshy.
It's kind of interesting because they allow submission only as a jpg. Which means, of course, that RAW shooters literally cannot provide the original file. And of course, RAW shooters can do anything to their file the camera would have allowed them to do before making it into a jpg, so...
I don't know how far they take this, really...
R. |
I think most of the people that shoot for NG or major places probably don't mess with RAW. They're taking shots by the thousands, filling up those cards and don't have the time to poop around...they get their settings right the first time and don't look back.
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05/08/2006 11:41:38 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by deapee:
I think most of the people that shoot for NG or major places probably don't mess with RAW. They're taking shots by the thousands, filling up those cards and don't have the time to poop around...they get their settings right the first time and don't look back. |
I agree. I looked through the galleries from NG's website and the photos has that spontaneous, quick triggered feeling to them - very refreshing! What they do not have is exactly what I'm hoping DPC members can at least be forced to try doing (and appreciate?), by means of a one-time challenge with a one-time rule - leave your photoshop at home and take photos, and then submit direct. |
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