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05/11/2006 02:10:21 AM · #51 |
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05/11/2006 05:53:01 AM · #52 |
doesnt have to be a person, does it?
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05/11/2006 06:49:11 AM · #53 |
It doesn't have to be, but don't come in here and complain if voting goes badly.
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05/11/2006 09:59:56 AM · #54 |
My friend Dave is the master of environmental portraits in my opinion. Check out his site.
//www.davelauridsen.com |
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05/11/2006 10:06:32 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by bvoi:
My friend Dave is the master of environmental portraits in my opinion. Check out his site.
//www.davelauridsen.com |
I whole-heartedly agree! Wonderful work. I am quite inspired.
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05/11/2006 11:16:24 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by goodman:
doesnt have to be a person, does it?
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I would like to interject here on this challenge as well, if I may. I usually get hammered for such interjection, and that is one reason why I try and step away from the forums at times; however, I also feel that without any of my own interjection that I, in turn, may also be shortchanging myself. In this I mean that a lot of what is written in these types of threads on challenge definitions seems to carry over to the voting and comment process, including my own entries as of late. (Not to point to any particular entry, here is one type of example I have noticed be talked about in forum, and then have noticed on scoring threads how it has effected the overall outlook from voters by way of comments: -- open discussion on portrait shots being more acceptable verses landscape shots for the DPC Cinema Challenge has caused some to now experience negative comments based on their shot via its shape if it is landscape.--)
Therefore, by subjecting my own view now and then "before" challenge and not "during", I feel I am at least covering a base that "may" also be influential and beneficial to some, especially the newbies, and in the long run, possibly even my own entries. With that I would like to state the following:
A portrait by the dictionary form is basically a "likeness of a person" or "any likeness of a person", be it the head shot, the 3/4 body shot, or the full body (portfolio) shot. If you look this word "portrait" up in the dictionary, you will see it states this. It does put more emphasis in it mostly being a head shot, but a portrait can really be head, 3/4 or full body (portfolio) shot. It also can be close, or even far away, as long as it is a "likeness of a person". (Example: A shot taken of someone harvesting crops in a large field on the side of a mountain from quite a distance would be a far away shot. It is still a "likeness of a person". Example: Someone sitting on your living room chair would be a closer shot and obviously a likeness of a person as well. Both would be environmental portraits to me.)
The environment by dictionary form is basically the "totality of one's surroundings" or just the "surroundings".
With that said, it is my own interpretation of this challenge that the "subject" be a person (be in contrived or candid) and the "environment" be the surroundings that fit with that person (be it contrived or candid); hence "environmental portrait". What I mean by contrived or candid is that one could actually create an environment and a fictional or nonfictional character (model) to play a role within it; which would be a creative venture. In that same regard, one could also just photograph someone sitting on the sofa of their living room, for pure example, if that is what suits them for an entry.
The challenge description uses both the word "portrait" (in the title) and then the word "subject" (in the description). I do believe the use of the word "subject" is referring to a person, and not a plant or animal. However, this is certainly just my interpretation, and to me I won't vote down or up by the muse used. Because of the descriptions wording I can see how others would certainly lean towards plants, animals, etc. I am just personally staying on the "person/portrait" side of things, but I won't be voting any lower for other subjects used due to the way the description is worded.
Message edited by author 2006-05-11 11:32:16. |
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05/11/2006 01:16:32 PM · #57 |
| I read this challenge as a person in his/her environment. That is how I plan on voting it. |
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05/11/2006 02:32:11 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by dleach:
I read this challenge as a person in his/her environment. That is how I plan on voting it. |
Ditto. It's a very specific task. And one that real-world photographers commonly have to accomplish. I won't be looking especially kindly at, for example, entries that claim to be "a portrait OF an environment"... "Read the challenge secription" is my mantra here LOL.
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05/11/2006 03:53:28 PM · #59 |
I agree this is going to be a tougher challenge because there are going to be varied opinions. For example, I'm going to lean toward an actual posed shot within the context of an environment. The environment, also, must tell me something about the person. So a pretty sunset isn't going to cut it. This doesn't mean I'm going to vote all candid/action shots a 3, but the score will be lower the more gestalt I get toward that end.
Roughly put, a candid shot is about "the moment"; an action shot is about "the event"; where a portrait is about "the person". The lines, of course, are not black and white. There are good candids which serve as portraits and good action shots which do the same, but the less I sense the picture is about the person, the worse it is for this challenge (in my opinion).
The site bvoi linked above had some awesome examples.
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05/11/2006 04:00:20 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
For example, I'm going to lean toward an actual posed shot within the context of an environment. The environment, also, must tell me something about the person.
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I would tend to agree ... I would vote "portrait" shots that definitely tell me about the environment much higher than a shot that doesn't give me very much background info about the subject ... |
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05/11/2006 04:07:33 PM · #61 |
I don't think this necessarily has to be a person, but if it's not a person it needs to send a very clear message. One example I can think of would be an animal portrait of a seeing eye dog. A really good picture of the dog in an environment that clearly expresses the dog's job would do it for me.
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05/11/2006 04:09:36 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
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For example, I'm going to lean toward an actual posed shot within the context of an environment. The environment, also, must tell me something about the person.
I would tend to agree ... I would vote "portrait" shots that definitely tell me about the environment much higher than a shot that doesn't give me very much background info about the subject ...
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Great! Then I can expect at least two 10's! :)
Message edited by author 2006-05-11 16:11:01. |
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05/12/2006 08:25:41 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by dleach:
I read this challenge as a person in his/her environment. That is how I plan on voting it. |
Hey now. Wait a minute. I just noticed this post and nowhere in the challenge description does it say the portrait must be of a person.
Challenge description: "Photograph a portrait that says something about the subject within the framework of their own environment."
It says "...something about the subject...". I think the word "subject" was used intentionally to leave options open. It it was meant to be limited to people it would say "...something about the person...".
I can think of several portrait scenarios that would fit this challenge and it doesn't have to be a person. |
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05/12/2006 08:52:06 AM · #64 |
| it is nice to have a portrait challenge where simply having a beautiful model will not get you in the top 20 (i hope) |
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05/12/2006 08:53:11 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by dleach:
I read this challenge as a person in his/her environment. That is how I plan on voting it. |
Hey now. Wait a minute. I just noticed this post and nowhere in the challenge description does it say the portrait must be of a person.
Challenge description: "Photograph a portrait that says something about the subject within the framework of their own environment."
It says "...something about the subject...". I think the word "subject" was used intentionally to leave options open. It it was meant to be limited to people it would say "...something about the person...".
I can think of several portrait scenarios that would fit this challenge and it doesn't have to be a person. |
I agree, i will not be marking down for non-people shots.
I will vote according to the challenge discription. |
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05/12/2006 08:54:38 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by hopper:
it is nice to have a portrait challenge where simply having a beautiful model will not get you in the top 20 (i hope) |
veeeee shalll zeeeeeee!
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05/12/2006 10:11:14 AM · #67 |
Neither the challenge details nor the definition of the word portrait demand that the subject be a person; and several posters here have said they would not lower a score if the subject is not a person. However most people interpret "portrait" to be a shot of a person. And most of the voters will be thinking that way, regardless of whether or not they have seen this thread. Why would anyone want to handicap their score from the get-go by entering something they should know will be scored lower by some, perhaps most, of the voters?
If the first thing that strikes my mind when I view a portrait is the photographer's technique, such as "what interesting and unusual lighting", or "wonder how the photog did that?", then it has failed as a protrait. To me, a portrait is supposed to tell me something about it's subject (normally a person) and show me what the subject looks like. It can be somewhat flattering but should be fairly accurate. And in this case it should also tell me something about the place where the subject works/lives.
Message edited by author 2006-05-12 10:21:32.
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05/12/2006 10:16:49 AM · #68 |
| You are all misunderstanding this challenge. You are supposed to take a portrait of the environment so it´s a landscape challenge. Now go shoot landscape shots, especially those that are in the WPL team that will meet us in the finals :) |
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05/12/2006 10:22:01 AM · #69 |
Ooops. Wrong thread :)
Message edited by author 2006-05-12 10:26:40. |
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05/12/2006 10:27:02 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by espy:
To me that is just a tad too much information, and may even be boring.
If one looks in the photos section here under the gallery of self portraits, it is something along those lines I will be apt to enjoy. I like the artistic and creative sides to what others like to portray themselves as. There are some truly wonderful self portrait images in gallery. I especially like Jutilda's and Art-Levis myself. :)
I've actually never particpated in a self portrait challenge, so I may just give this one a go if I can pull my shot off in time. But will I be looking into a camera and saying "cheese!"? Nope. LOL...Far from it. But it will be the essence of who I am, or at least part of who I am and I will be in it, and to me that is what I care to submit if I enter. |
Did you mistake this thread for the Self-Portrait thread?
Guess so...
Message edited by author 2006-05-12 10:28:10.
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05/12/2006 10:35:20 AM · #71 |
| Hi Spazmo! Yes, as you can see, that is why I edited out my post. But thanks for reposting it - where it doesn't belong. |
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05/12/2006 10:46:17 AM · #72 |
Just to make thing clear on this idea.
When I recamended (sp) the idea in this thread Enviromental Portraitit was meant for humans.
BUT, I can see animal, and even plant life in their enviroment as well.
As long as the subject is in frame, and the representational factor of that subject is presented as the enviroment.
Carry on.
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05/12/2006 10:47:04 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by espy:
Hi Spazmo! Yes, as you can see, that is why I edited out my post. But thanks for reposting it - where it doesn't belong. |
You're welcome.
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05/12/2006 10:49:26 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by idnic:
Originally posted by hopper:
it is nice to have a portrait challenge where simply having a beautiful model will not get you in the top 20 (i hope) |
veeeee shalll zeeeeeee! |
Self-portrait?
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05/12/2006 02:09:17 PM · #75 |
| Ooh, totally redid my shot with a different subject. I'm in love now. I like it a lot. We'll see if the public shares my enthusiasm. |
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