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04/18/2006 11:24:51 AM · #126 |
Originally posted by ecdillon:
That way people can't just skim through thumbnails to find things that look interesting to vote/comment on.
I'm sure people will hate this idea, and I'm not even sure I'd want to see it happen, but it would lead to a more even distribution of comments and votes and end the need for that 20% voting rule. |
Originally posted by dleach:
That would certainly stop the skimming. But it may reduce the number of overall votes even more. |
You're both making the assumption that there is such a thing as "skimming". There's no proof of that; skimming thumbnails is actually slower than just voting on the images because of the number of pageloads. I think this is an erroneous assumption, and I think that eliminating the thumbnail page is a fix trying to find a problem.
We all tend to THINK voters do certain things that we don't approve of. There's no proof, because there are no empirical studies of voting methods.
My personal conviction is that we should establish a Blood Alcohol Limit for voting and require breathalyzer tests in order to access the site. I mean, for goodness sakes, do YOU want someone who isn't legally qualified to operate a motor vehicle to be allowed to vote on your masterpiece?? Not me!
Sheesh!
:)
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04/18/2006 11:29:56 AM · #127 |
Originally posted by yanko:
UNLESS of course you submit a DNMC image THEN like cockaroaches in the night they come out in droves to let you know that.
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whats DNMC mean, thanks
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04/18/2006 11:32:52 AM · #128 |
Originally posted by Elmakias:
Originally posted by yanko:
UNLESS of course you submit a DNMC image THEN like cockaroaches in the night they come out in droves to let you know that.
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whats DNMC mean, thanks |
"Does Not Meet (the) Challenge (topic)" |
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04/18/2006 11:35:38 AM · #129 |
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by ecdillon:
That way people can't just skim through thumbnails to find things that look interesting to vote/comment on.
I'm sure people will hate this idea, and I'm not even sure I'd want to see it happen, but it would lead to a more even distribution of comments and votes and end the need for that 20% voting rule. |
Originally posted by dleach:
That would certainly stop the skimming. But it may reduce the number of overall votes even more. |
You're both making the assumption that there is such a thing as "skimming". There's no proof of that; skimming thumbnails is actually slower than just voting on the images because of the number of pageloads. I think this is an erroneous assumption ... |
I'm a skimmer. I enjoy looking at the thumbnails to pull up images that I want to comment on. Sometimes I'll do this if I'm not even voting, other times I'll skim after I've completed voting and go back to make comments.
Another reason for keeping the thumbnail view is that many people go back after voting and bump scores up or down (has been mentioned in numerous threads on voting practices - group score, then adjust, etc...).
But this thread is mostly about comments and how to improve them. I say taking away the thumbnail view would reduce the number of comments given/rec'd. I also think the idea of forcing comments on votes by only making votes with a comment count isn't going to fly. Keep the 20% minimum. |
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04/18/2006 11:45:18 AM · #130 |
Registering my opinion:
- Beetle's suggestion (and others) for allowing people to desire comments or not: YES
- Remove the helpful box? I kinda like to know if my comments were read. I don't care if they were found helpful. So maybe change to "Ackowledged"
- More invitational challenges based on comments given. Incentives work better than requirements.
Lastly, I personally don't think ANY comments should be returned with anything except for a simple thank you. If someone says something you don't like, ignore it. Seems like people forget that these are all just opinions.
That is all. |
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04/18/2006 11:54:58 AM · #131 |
As a plaintive aside, my commets given-to-received ratio took a massive hit when my blue ribbon garnered 180+ comments... I don't know if I'll ever catch up. It's worth noting that people who regularly finish in the top of the pack receive all sorts of congratulatory comments that really skew this ratio. When you "roll your portfolio" you can get rid of a lot of comments doing so, but the challenge entries stay with you forever.
I'd be curious to know; if someone removes from their portfolio an image I commented upon, does this remove a comment from my comments-made list? If so, it's a pretty sketchy statistic, isn't it? Extremely manipulable...
Robt.
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04/18/2006 12:10:58 PM · #132 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
- Remove the helpful box? I kinda like to know if my comments were read. I don't care if they were found helpful. So maybe change to "Ackowledged"
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This stat would probably be easier to generate if the site code simply analyzed whether the photo owner had viewed the photo page since the comment was entered. Let's take the owner's attitude completely out of the picture and just make it a factual thing.
I'm very much NOT IN FAVOR of the "helpful" box. I think it's a useless piece of info for the site to track.
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04/18/2006 01:18:47 PM · #133 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'd be curious to know; if someone removes from their portfolio an image I commented upon, does this remove a comment from my comments-made list? If so, it's a pretty sketchy statistic, isn't it? Extremely manipulable... |
when somebody deletes a portfolio image, EVERYTHING goes with it, faves, comments, etc. all related stats are updated as well, some of them immediately (like the next time your profile is refreshed), some of them during the weekly update. |
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04/18/2006 01:37:59 PM · #134 |
| I don't know if it's a result of this thread or not but I've gotten six more comments on my Chrome entry since last night - so thanks to everyone who has been busy commenting! |
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04/18/2006 01:52:35 PM · #135 |
I was taught years ago by a fabulous art teacher these three things:
#1 There are Never stupid questions.
#2 There are no right or wrong opinions.
and my favorite:
"Will any of this matter in six months?"
Message edited by author 2006-04-18 14:16:43. |
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04/18/2006 07:28:01 PM · #136 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by goldenhawkofky:
If you really want more comments make them manditory in the voting process or your vote doesnt count... |
My lord........Considering that I have voted on almost every image in every contest since I became a member, I do believe I would have been a tad busy.
Regardles... would comments like "Great", "Astounding" and the like suffice......I think not.
Ray |
Ray
Just being a little sarcastic...
Greg |
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04/18/2006 08:11:54 PM · #137 |
Just a thought, but I always find it strangely amusing when people who have far more comments received than given complain about the number of comments received (there are a couple in this thread, though the majority have given more comments than received).
I've always felt that the best way to remedy not getting enough comments is to comment more. Others will likely return the favor.
~Terry
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04/19/2006 07:53:04 AM · #138 |
totally agree with Juggle.
but we're lazy/busy..
D&L should consider hiring professional commenters perhaps ;o)
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04/19/2006 07:59:04 AM · #139 |
Originally posted by langdon:
We can run another Invitiational Challenge for people who have given more comments than they have received. |
While I like this idea a lot you will get a repeat of what happened last time. People were making comments just to fill up the comments made to enter the challenge. I'd suggest if you do offer this idea you make it for those that have commented on at least double(or more) then they have recieved. This way IF that person would like to enter they had better start getting their comments up. |
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04/19/2006 11:19:54 AM · #140 |
< - as stated by smilebig4me1X
I think what is happening is that there are SOOOOO many entries now, that after plodding through so many, you lose your artful eye. Kind of like at the perfume counter: after the first 4, they all start to smell the same. I might see an image during voting, and believe me, I try to really look at it seriously and not hurry to the next image, BUT I'll see it 2 or 3 weeks later on the "recently commented page," and see it again with a new set of eyes and appreciate it more. When there are 400 entries, it just becomes numbing to me. If an image is unbelievably outstanding or really says something to me good or bad, I will probably comment, but to make as many as would be necessary to really make a dent, I'd spend even more hours on the computer than I already do, and I SPEND ALOT OF TIME ON THE COMPUTER LOOKING AT DPC IMAGES.
I like the idea of checking "comment read" instead of "found comment helpful." Kind of like I quit checking "would like an in depth critique" not because I don't want to hear negative feedback, but because I feel like that needs to go to some of the newer members who might need even more suggestions than I. |
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04/21/2006 09:28:33 AM · #141 |
Consider what will/would happen when you get 1000 photos being submitted per challenge!
Unfortunately, IMHO, this kind of community website where the community does the voting doesn't scale very well. As we get more and more folks joining then as a percentage, you will see less folks voting per challenge and probably less comments.
It takes a serious commitment of time to do the voting and then you add the time to attempt to leave a meaning full comment. Don't get me wrong, I like comments too but I don't feel bad if I don't get that many.
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04/21/2006 09:37:27 AM · #142 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
< - as stated by smilebig4me1X
I think what is happening is that there are SOOOOO many entries now, that after plodding through so many, you lose your artful eye. Kind of like at the perfume counter: after the first 4, they all start to smell the same. |
Yes. I find that during post-processing I make a few adjustments so the image looks good at thumbnail size...
Why do you think so much work goes into the design of perfume bottles? :) |
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04/21/2006 09:58:08 AM · #143 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Just a thought, but I always find it strangely amusing when people who have far more comments received than given complain about the number of comments received (there are a couple in this thread, though the majority have given more comments than received).
I've always felt that the best way to remedy not getting enough comments is to comment more. Others will likely return the favor.
~Terry |
Haha, totally agree, people will always throw stones out of a glass house though, hehe. Won´t find me complaining about not getting comments, not by a long shot, I think on average I have about 25-30 comments per entry here and I am getting lazier by the day making them... Have commented on about 40 or more shots in Color portrait though :) |
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04/21/2006 10:03:56 AM · #144 |
well ...
i admit it, i'll comment always above 20% on challenge that i enter and very low percentage on challenge i do not enter, i think it's understandable coz i access web and DPC from work mostly and i really really don't have enought free time for nice surfing and enjoying DPC photos and speak with people and comment great works in great challenges ... as for doing it at home it's practically immpossible ... you know the drill house, wineyerd, kids, wife (a little), and other obligations ... and most of all i never ever complain about not recieving comments because the reason i have written above
/i feel so much lighter now :-)
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04/21/2006 11:10:35 AM · #145 |
Originally posted by langdon:
After I wrote that sentence I checked to see how many people in a given challenge weren't ticking the critique box, and was surprised to see that more than half weren't. I only checked Chrome, Candid, and Color Studio Portrait, but wouldn't suspect other challenges to be different.
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I quit checking the critique box after a while, because I never received any comments from the critique club.
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04/21/2006 11:17:03 AM · #146 |
Originally posted by bryanbrazil:
Originally posted by langdon:
After I wrote that sentence I checked to see how many people in a given challenge weren't ticking the critique box, and was surprised to see that more than half weren't. I only checked Chrome, Candid, and Color Studio Portrait, but wouldn't suspect other challenges to be different.
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I quit checking the critique box after a while, because I never received any comments from the critique club. |
I also quit checking the critique box after a while but for another reason, I learn more by giving comments than by receiving them so I just thought that the critique clubs time would be better spent on other peoples photos. |
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05/03/2006 09:01:44 AM · #147 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
... As for the "helpful" checkbox on comments, I can take it or leave it. If it's left there I would like to be able to access it directly from my Profile page/Comment Received section. When I open the comments received page I should be able to select the helpful checkbox then (as well as on the image page also). ... |
Hooray to Langdon!!! You can now check the "Comment was helpful" box from your comments received page. Woohoo!
Thanks! |
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05/03/2006 09:33:10 AM · #148 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
... As for the "helpful" checkbox on comments, I can take it or leave it. If it's left there I would like to be able to access it directly from my Profile page/Comment Received section. When I open the comments received page I should be able to select the helpful checkbox then (as well as on the image page also). ... |
Hooray to Langdon!!! You can now check the "Comment was helpful" box from your comments received page. Woohoo!
Thanks! |
Slowpoke ;) |
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05/03/2006 10:03:23 AM · #149 |
Asleep at the wheel! ;^) I looked under Administrator Announcements - silly me!
Thanks MK. |
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05/03/2006 10:59:28 AM · #150 |
Just to add another opinion... :D
What about three check boxes on comments of which only one can be checked:
-Thank you for your comment.
-Comment was helpful
-Comment was extremely helpful
Then give a special challenge to people who make lots of extremely helpful comments.
Also, I've seen many people say that they try to always comment on the images that they score very low, or very high. But most people (like me) are floating in that mid-range. I have entered six challenges and have received an average of five comments per challenge. In one challenge I only received one comment. Perhaps more effort ought to be made to comment on the average photo.
I rarely vote a 1 or 2, but if I do, I don't often leave a comment for them because I figure that they already know what is wrong with their photo and that lots of other voters are leaving those comments. I don't make a lot of comments because I just don't feel qualified (and I'm pretty new to DPC). However, I'm am more likely to leave a comment on a photo where something stands out that would have increased the score I gave by one or more points. |
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