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04/13/2006 08:11:56 PM · #26 |
| It's not a duplicate. It's an n-tuplicate. ;) |
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04/13/2006 08:15:41 PM · #27 |
I vote for pictures that show the relationship between photographer and subject.
Scenic pictures are safe, and require marginal talent of lighting and development.
The interaction between photographer and subject is the most difficult picture to take. You have to develop often a quick relationship with a stranger so they can open up their expressions and let you capture a moment of their soul.
I also don't vote highly of pictures of models. They are professonal posers, you get a picture of a masked expression but not a view of their inner soul.
Digital photoography has changed how a picture is developed, but not the human interaction that goes into a great picture. |
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04/13/2006 08:19:39 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by dsmil:
I vote for pictures that show the relationship between photographer and subject.
Scenic pictures are safe, and require marginal talent of lighting and development.
The interaction between photographer and subject is the most difficult picture to take. You have to develop often a quick relationship with a stranger so they can open up their expressions and let you capture a moment of their soul.
I also don't vote highly of pictures of models. They are professonal posers, you get a picture of a masked expression but not a view of their inner soul.
Digital photoography has changed how a picture is developed, but not the human interaction that goes into a great picture. |
What exactly do you vote high?
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04/13/2006 08:23:30 PM · #29 |
| I just randomly hit number under the pitchers... |
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04/13/2006 11:10:49 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Hate to disappoint you (in the efficiency of the Search feature), but there's probably a couple of hundred threads on this subject and the variations concerning low votes, trolls, lack of comments, etc. Here are some ... |
Thanks GeneralE - I did see several of those while searching, and although I thought about just commenting on them, my question and desire to learn was geared more to asking for help on how everyone votes - not so much what to do with the trolls or low scores that are given. I have browsed those other links you provide though and have found some very useful tips there too.
I have learned much already from you all with your posts here - and do appreciate it. |
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04/13/2006 11:18:50 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by kearock:
A question for those of you that use placeholder votes? Do you always make it back to reevaluate every image? Do you always have time to even give every image a placeholder? I mean, we all have real lives outside of DPC. Sometimes we don't have time for every image. I hope that's not the case for those of you using these placeholder votes. I think it would be a shame for an image to not get the score you would actually give it because you didn't get a chance to come back. Maybe I'm just a really busy person, but I find it hard to imagine having the time to vote twice on evrey image in a challenge. |
I can't speak for the others, but I have found that using placeholders actually speeds up my voting significantly. I don't have to agonize over things on first pass, and on second pass I have my priorities straight and a good overall sense of the responses to the challenge.
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04/13/2006 11:27:50 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by kearock:
A question for those of you that use placeholder votes? Do you always make it back to reevaluate every image? Do you always have time to even give every image a placeholder? I mean, we all have real lives outside of DPC. Sometimes we don't have time for every image. I hope that's not the case for those of you using these placeholder votes. I think it would be a shame for an image to not get the score you would actually give it because you didn't get a chance to come back. Maybe I'm just a really busy person, but I find it hard to imagine having the time to vote twice on evrey image in a challenge. |
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That is what I mean about voting being an obligation. Yes, I always get back although in one challenge the clock ended my reshuffling before I was halfway through. I make it a point not to always return earlier. Yes, it is hard and one time I even ignored further editing on my entry to meet the obligation. |
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04/14/2006 01:24:49 AM · #33 |
I don't use placeholders because I'd get myself confused. Typically I get to the vote screen and go one by one and both vote and comment. I am *trying* to make sure I vote/comment on the required 20% (more if I can), but sometimes that becomes a long slog and my commenting falls off because I tend to leave long detailed comments.
My voting pattern is not set in stone, its rather subjective actually.
In general most images rate a 5 if it meets the challenge, has a decent focus, lighting, composition and impact.
4s come in if one or two of those is lacking.
3s if many of those are lacking.
I don't think I do many 2s or 1s but I probably would if it was simply a blur with no purpose or a completely white/black screen.
For a 6 the five main elements (meets challenge, focus, lighting, composition and impact) must be met decently with one portrayed exceptionally.
7 requires the same but two or three aspects really popping out.
8 and 9 are generally the same as 7 but elict a defined response from me beyond "Ooo neat".
10 is a gut-checking image that ties all of the elements together in one package.. OR garners such an immediate and deep response from me as I'm viewing it that possible issues in the other elements are completely overshadowed.
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04/14/2006 04:40:22 PM · #34 |
Why doesn't composition enter into your scoring until you hit 3 and under?
Originally posted by hotpasta:
Here is how I vote:
10 - That's absolute perfection! I cannot see how you could improve on the shot and words won't help the shot because it tells a thousand words
(I rarely give these out and if you get one, you really deserved it)
9 - This is my top score given in most challenges. Shot is near perfect minus an 'imperfection' or something I might hvae changes
8 - This is for great shots that make me go wow. Excellent above average with a few things that could be better
7 - This is an above average shot of high quality
6 - This is an above average shot
5 - This is a good shot. Average. It's well taken, but nothing to write home about
4 - below average shot
3 - below average shot with several problems like blurriness, bad composition, overprocessing, boring subject matter
2 - this is a 'you shouldn't have bothered' shot. It's way off the mark because it's so corny or technically flawed or irrelevent to the challenge etc
1 - This is just not even worth the effort. Most ones I give are for some of those shots that look tlike they were taken with a cell phone and are too small to see properly and they look like an out of focus mess
NOTE: I try and comment on about 30-40% of shots and try and stay positive unless of course I can't
Also, the challenge topic is important and overides everything...unless, sometimes it's such a great shot that it needs an extra point
I think I get more learning out of voting and making comments because it makes me look at my work more intensly. |
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04/14/2006 05:18:18 PM · #35 |
Technically perfect but zero emotion = 5/6
Technically perfect and 50% emotion = 6/8
100% emotion, technically imperfect =7/8
100% emotion, technically perfect = 9/10
Boring, seen it a 100 times, technically perfect = 5/6
Boring, technically imperfect = 4/5
Utter crap =3/4
Utter utter crap =1/2
The photo simply has to trigger an emotion in every way it can. So what if it is ultrasharp, perfect dof, excellent light; when the subject is boring as hell you have created a boring technically perfect photo = 5
Mind you, some people can give a unique view on something really boring that makes it technically perfect with 50% emotion = 8
That's how I do it nowadays. But it can be different a week from now...
(technically= composition, light, camera, pp, title and it doesn't mean it has to be ultrasharp or anything, the tech has to fit the whole package)
Message edited by author 2006-04-14 17:20:25.
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04/23/2006 03:11:40 AM · #36 |
Nobody so far has mentioned any difference in their voting pattern whether a challenge has 150 entries or 300+.
Does it stay the same?
I struggle to vote on challenges with 250+ entries, due to time constraints. Running twice through full sized images (not thumbnails) takes a serious amount of dedicated time - time I would often prefer to spend working on my own images or outside with my camera.
Challenges with 100 - 200 entries on the other hand, I will ensure I go through at least twice and try to comment on an absolute minimum of 10% . Increasingly now, I'm trying to comment on those in the mid-field area (as I fall there myself I know how important those comments are). Commenting on top picks is easy - those images have made a connection with you somehow. I very, very rarely score any 3's or lower (only when it truly seems that no effort has been taken.)
Challenges with over 300 entries though - they're difficult and I'm inclined to avoid those with over 400.
I'd be interested to know what others think of this?
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04/23/2006 04:30:42 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Technically perfect but zero emotion = 5/6
Technically perfect and 50% emotion = 6/8
100% emotion, technically imperfect =7/8
100% emotion, technically perfect = 9/10
Boring, seen it a 100 times, technically perfect = 5/6
Boring, technically imperfect = 4/5
Utter crap =3/4
Utter utter crap =1/2
The photo simply has to trigger an emotion in every way it can. So what if it is ultrasharp, perfect dof, excellent light; when the subject is boring as hell you have created a boring technically perfect photo = 5
Mind you, some people can give a unique view on something really boring that makes it technically perfect with 50% emotion = 8
That's how I do it nowadays. But it can be different a week from now...
(technically= composition, light, camera, pp, title and it doesn't mean it has to be ultrasharp or anything, the tech has to fit the whole package) |
Seems to be close to how I think when I vote, but I see that you do not mention how you figure photographs that do not meet the challenge. However perfect a photograph might be, it will not score above 6 if it does not meet challenge. We know that taking an excellent picture that does meet the challenge is much much harder than just taking an exellent shot.
A half-decent shot that meets the challenge in an extraordinarily funny/good/thoughtful/stringent way, will score well. I.e. I give credit for the thought put behind the shot, even if it didn't turn out perfect.
I seldom score 3 or below, the same goes for 10's.
I try to vote for every picture in a challenge and almost always remark on the low-end ones. When there are many participants in a challenge, 350 and above, I might not reach 100% though. I always try to look through the bunch again when I am finished with my voting and make additional comments.
ed: I seldom give 10's, could be misunderstood :-/
Message edited by author 2006-04-23 05:16:20.
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04/23/2006 05:07:13 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by dsmil:
I vote for pictures that show the relationship between photographer and subject.
Scenic pictures are safe, and require marginal talent of lighting and development.
The interaction between photographer and subject is the most difficult picture to take. You have to develop often a quick relationship with a stranger so they can open up their expressions and let you capture a moment of their soul.
I also don't vote highly of pictures of models. They are professonal posers, you get a picture of a masked expression but not a view of their inner soul.
Digital photoography has changed how a picture is developed, but not the human interaction that goes into a great picture. |
What exactly do you vote high? |
Average vote = 3.5 so I'm guessing nothing at DPC. |
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05/01/2006 02:28:22 PM · #39 |
| I tend to figure 5-6 is average for a starting place. It is technacally fine and meets the challenge title. Goes up for creativity and technical dificulty. Goes down for poor focus or other technical problems or I can not find a link to the challenge title. Emotions the image displays also come into play. I try to leave comments on all images that I feel need help. I try to say what I like and what I feel did not work or need improvement. I hope to gaing insite and improve from the comments I get and hope my comments can help others. This site has a range of shooter from just got my first camera to pro. All competing together. |
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