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04/12/2006 05:41:00 AM · #1 |
Hello Every one, I submitted this Photo as my Third Challenge and I am delighted with the progress I have made in my Photography, and that includes all areas of how I look at things and think about what will improve my technique.
I had some great Fun setting up this photo with my Son, and I have received a few really nice comments and like everyone else waited for the results to come in !
I feel a bit deflated to find a couple of people only gave this photo 1 point ?
can someone please explain how it lost a whole 9 points, I am not talking out of sour grapes here, please understand.
I am just curious.
Cheers.
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04/12/2006 05:43:13 AM · #2 |
| some people hate dolls - I didn't vote but would have given you a 6 - lighting needs some work IMHO |
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04/12/2006 05:46:09 AM · #3 |
Mate it can't be explained...some people are just absolute idiots when it comes to voting. Don't let it worry you; they have always voted 1, they voted 1 on your great entry and they will vote 1 in the future.
Congrats on your finish and progression at DPC. :)
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04/12/2006 05:55:14 AM · #4 |
If it makes you feel any better, this shot got as many "1´s" as you so go figure, ignore the singular votes and look at the average, probably 99% of the photos submitted in the history of DPC have gotten at least one "1" vote so like GIS_boy says, some people are just idiots :P |
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04/12/2006 06:29:20 AM · #5 |
I think this hurt you:
Aperture: f32
it makes the image soft, I wouldn't go higher than F22 |
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04/12/2006 07:12:54 AM · #6 |
Meh, it happens. A quick glance at your profile shows that your Avg Vote Cast: 3.6894 ... so it's along the lines of people in glass houses should not throw stones.
Besides, if you had fun with your son setting the picture up and whatnot, why should you let a couple numbers 'deflate' you? |
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04/12/2006 07:39:36 AM · #7 |
I gave it 5. It was a good idea, but quite soft and flat in the lighting...sorry. It didn't deserve a 1
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04/12/2006 08:20:26 AM · #8 |
I agree with some of the others comments but take my message with a grain of salt as I can't get above 5.6...my poor texture image is well below this :(
A couple things I would suggest, after you do all the editing (if any) and resize it, apply a some Unsharp Mask. Do little bits at a time as you can end up with a worse picture than you started with. I was amazed at how much this helps clear up the picture.
Also if you have time it may help others help you (and learn from you, everyone can learn something from everyone) if you put your editing steps and maybe setup in the photograhers comments section. This way they can see what you did and maybe offer an alternative or enhancement.
Good luck.
p.s. I would also like to point out the best thing about this image...Originally posted by judojoe:
I had some great Fun setting up this photo with my Son, |
...not everyone gets to do that with their kids or parents so don't let the lower scorers kill that joy.
Message edited by author 2006-04-12 08:23:22.
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04/12/2006 08:48:19 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by judojoe:
I feel a bit deflated to find a couple of people only gave this photo 1 point ?
can someone please explain how it lost a whole 9 points, I am not talking out of sour grapes here, please understand.
I am just curious.
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From looking at your average vote given, I find it a bit ironic that you would complain about low scoring by others. |
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04/12/2006 09:07:39 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Mate it can't be explained...some people are just absolute idiots when it comes to voting. Don't let it worry you; they have always voted 1, they voted 1 on your great entry and they will vote 1 in the future.
Congrats on your finish and progression at DPC. :) |
I couldn't agree more, BTW while your photo is nice it's not a 10 and 2 people voted you a 10 as well so go figure!
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04/12/2006 09:30:42 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Nobody:
Originally posted by judojoe:
I feel a bit deflated to find a couple of people only gave this photo 1 point ?
can someone please explain how it lost a whole 9 points, I am not talking out of sour grapes here, please understand.
I am just curious.
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From looking at your average vote given, I find it a bit ironic that you would complain about low scoring by others. |
I was wondering the same exact thing. With an average vote given of 3.XXX you have to wonder how many 1's are given by the OP making others wonder just what makes their photo worthy of recieving it.
MattO
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04/12/2006 11:18:13 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by judojoe:
I feel a bit deflated to find a couple of people only gave this photo 1 point?
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Perhaps you are asking the wrong question...
In this picture a 1 or a 10 is an extreme vote. Knowing the reason someone gave you those scores will teach you very little about photography because they didn't score you based on photography, they scored you for some emotional reaction uniquely their own.
Look at your distribution of scores and you'll see a perfectly normal bell curve with a few extream votes along the wings at the top and the bottom. That is normal given the diversity of this group.
Assuming your intent is to continue to improve your photography then the question you should be asking yourself is this... Why did 115 people score it only 5s and 6s? Why didn't they vote it higher?
The background wall adds absolutely nothing to the composition. If anything, it acts as a distraction. A closer crop with no wall visible at all is worth trying. Try different f/stops to see how different DOF values affect the image.
Though there is nothing specifically wrong with the "pose" perhaps a different arrangement would add more emotion and interest. Basically they are just standing there. Arrange it how a child might pit one or more characters against each other preparing for a battle. Try having adversaries facing one another. Try shooting them at extream angles to emphasize a stronger or weaker position as a child might do while pitting the "good" guys against the "bad".
Even with the current arrangement if you added a big dark menacing shadow of a "bad" guy across the "good" guy characters coming from the direction the characters are facing it would add a lot of interest and curiosity for the viewer.
Message edited by author 2006-04-12 11:28:04.
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04/12/2006 11:24:25 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Nobody:
Originally posted by judojoe:
I feel a bit deflated to find a couple of people only gave this photo 1 point ?
can someone please explain how it lost a whole 9 points, I am not talking out of sour grapes here, please understand.
I am just curious.
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From looking at your average vote given, I find it a bit ironic that you would complain about low scoring by others. |
I was wondering the same exact thing. With an average vote given of 3.XXX you have to wonder how many 1's are given by the OP making others wonder just what makes their photo worthy of recieving it.
MattO |
I think the two stats have nothing to do with one another. The OP, apparently, is not complaining either. He is asking what may have motivated two voters to award this shot a 1.
I did not vote on this entry but would have ranked it quite low too. IMO, the manner of the photo is unremarkable enough to leave no more interest than the subject(s) itself. The subject, however, is a mob of plastic toys - quite tacky ones, to my (dis-)taste.
I do acknowledge however that the challenge topic confined the choices significantly enough to have what we have with this challenge.
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04/12/2006 11:52:31 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
I think the two stats have nothing to do with one another. The OP, apparently, is not complaining either. He is asking what may have motivated two voters to award this shot a 1.
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Personally I think they have quite a bit to do with each other. If you have a low votes given average but don't know why a photo (even your own) would get low scores, shouldn't you check your style of voting? My voting average might be considered as high but you don't see me asking why such and such photo got so many highs. I know why they got high votes - hence my average number in votes given being 7. Therefore, wouldn't it seem correct that I don't have an understanding of why lows are given and that people like me should be the ones asking, "why are these votes so low?". If the ability isn't there to critique an image, especially your own, then why would someone feel necessary to consistantly vote all images down?
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04/12/2006 01:39:41 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
My voting average might be considered as high but you don't see me asking why such and such photo got so many highs. I know why they got high votes - hence my average number in votes given being 7. |
I commend your voting strategy, most DPC voters give low scores.
You understand better than most that a 10 only means "good". Group thinking has it that the "average" image submitted to a challenge should normally score in the 5-5.5 range. Nothing really wrong with that logic. It is OK. Everyone should vote the way they feel. In fact, for a very long time I used to try to match my vote to the group average.
I've recently changed my voting pattern to be more like yours. It doesn't affect my relative rating of pictures, it just gives them higher scores which I feel better reflects the overall quality of the images.
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04/12/2006 01:48:32 PM · #16 |
There are two very general ways to apply the voting scale.
1. Use it as a ranking where 1 is the worst in the challenge and 10 the best
2. Use it to grade the quality of the image without relation to where it should fall with regards to rank. In this case 1 would mean the photo is total crap and 10 would mean that there is absolutely no room for improvement.
Just a very broad way of looking at it. There are as many variations as there are voters. |
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04/12/2006 02:14:16 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
There are two very general ways to apply the voting scale.
1. Use it as a ranking where 1 is the worst in the challenge and 10 the best
2. Use it to grade the quality of the image without relation to where it should fall with regards to rank. In this case 1 would mean the photo is total crap and 10 would mean that there is absolutely no room for improvement.
There are as many variations as there are voters. |
Every voting strategy is as unique as the voter themselves and that is how it should be. I fall mostly into the #2 category. My variation from #2 is that 10 means "good", not "perfection", so give them a lot more frequently.
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04/12/2006 02:21:42 PM · #18 |
To me voting a 1 is saying that this site has no merit.
The 1 means that there is no learning going on here which is just not the case.
There is nothing but learning going on at DPC.
So to me when I get a 1 on an image it is a truly disturbing thing and it totally discredits the vast knowledge on this site and the expertise of the community. I learn from you!
1 = no value in the learning process.
That is very very sad...
I didn't say this as well as I wanted to but I think you will understand my point.
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04/12/2006 02:38:39 PM · #19 |
How many 1s have you handed out? I always get a few and wonder the same thing. Lookig at your profile, you average giving less than 3.70. That's pretty low with less than 900 votes cast.
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04/12/2006 02:57:17 PM · #20 |
Joe,
I didn't vote in the challenge, but I probably would have given this shot a 6. I like your composition a lot! The figures really seem to have personality the way you arranged them. I feel like you're telling a story.
Like others have mentioned here, though, it's the lighting that's bringing you down. Also, on my monitor, anyway, there seems to be this peachy/orangy cast over the whole image. So maybe some color shifting, and some lighting changes (not sure what to suggest for the lighting, but maybe something that isn't so even), and I think the same shot could do a lot better.
And please, don't feel bad - you're making progress! Plus, as a bonus, you spent some great, quality time with your son. Well done, all around! :)
Liz
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