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05/05/2006 04:22:07 AM · #451

Hey Southern Gentleman, maybe you have already addressed this in your ideas for next season but if not I'm wondering what are your plans for handling substitutions next year. Our current way really sucks if I may be so blunt. :) It's funny how the replacements always have a much higher "average" than the ones they replace...

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

05/05/2006 04:23:55 AM · #452

Originally posted by yanko:

I agree

GuGi

Nikon D750

05/05/2006 04:30:30 AM · #453

Originally posted by keegbow:

Originally posted by yanko:
Hey Southern Gentleman, maybe you have already addressed this in your ideas for next season but if not I'm wondering what are your plans for handling substitutions next year. Our current way really sucks if I may be so blunt. :) It's funny how the replacements always have a much higher "average" than the ones they replace...

I agree

Wouldn't it be helpful for Southern Gentleman if you came with a constructive idea on how you think the sub-system could or should be? He has done a fantastic job, still does, and I am sure he would welcome any constructive ideas.
Of course there are faults, but this is a first time we do this and you know what, practice makes perfect, or close anyway.
Submit your ideas please. Suggestions and a following discussion is so much better than just criticism.

BigK

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

05/05/2006 04:35:19 AM · #454

What happens when the WPL league is finished?

Do we become disbanded and live lonely lives?

05/05/2006 04:39:35 AM · #455

Originally posted by GuGi:

Originally posted by keegbow:

Originally posted by yanko:
Hey Southern Gentleman, maybe you have already addressed this in your ideas for next season but if not I'm wondering what are your plans for handling substitutions next year. Our current way really sucks if I may be so blunt. :) It's funny how the replacements always have a much higher "average" than the ones they replace...

I agree

Wouldn't it be helpful for Southern Gentleman if you came with a constructive idea on how you think the sub-system could or should be? He has done a fantastic job, still does, and I am sure he would welcome any constructive ideas.
Of course there are faults, but this is a first time we do this and you know what, practice makes perfect, or close anyway.
Submit your ideas please. Suggestions and a following discussion is so much better than just criticism.

I agree

My proposal is that we have no subs.

Fisher Price Kid-Tough Digital

05/05/2006 04:46:14 AM · #456

Originally posted by GuGi:

Yes it would, which is why I already offered a suggestion on how to fix the talent imbalance in the league. Also, I think he already knows there are things that need fixing hence why I asked what his plans/ideas were for substitutions.

LalliSig

05/05/2006 04:50:59 AM · #457

Originally posted by keegbow:

I agree

My proposal is that we have no subs.

Gotta disagree with you on that one. Like in our example, Unneva was very excited to be in it and I had no doubt in my mind that she was going to enter everything but something unexpected came up and she had to take a break from DPC, not being able to sub her out for a period of 7-8 weeks would have left us or anyone for that matter at a serious disadvantage.

05/05/2006 04:51:03 AM · #458

Originally posted by Guyver:

What happens when the WPL league is finished?

Do we become disbanded and live lonely lives?

I don't think disbandment is being considered but dismemberment is so we better all pick up our game next season!

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM for Canon

05/05/2006 04:52:18 AM · #459

Originally posted by Larus:

Originally posted by keegbow:

I agree

My proposal is that we have no subs.

Gotta disagree with you on that one. Like in our example, Unneva was very excited to be in it and I had no doubt in my mind that she was going to enter everything but something unexpected came up and she had to take a break from DPC, not being able to sub her out for a period of 7-8 weeks would have left us or anyone for that matter at a serious disadvantage.

I think you meant to say "would have left everyone else "but us" at a serious disadvantage." :P Your team is hella stacked!

GIS_boy

Canon EOS-7D

05/05/2006 04:55:49 AM · #460

Originally posted by Larus:

I'm with you on this one Larus, both our subs have left the team for good reasons not just because they grew tried of entering photos. If teams can't replace members who are unable to continue for personal reasons or technical reasons it would make things very hard. Especially over such a long period.

DefyTime

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

05/05/2006 04:57:06 AM · #461

I say as soon as the first "season" is over maybe take a few weeks to a month off to rest from the back to back submissions and then start up again. Or I'm up for the next season to start immediately afterâ�¦pretty much depends on S_G and if he needs a little bit of time to breath.

Clint

LalliSig

Fisher Price Kid-Tough Digital

05/05/2006 04:57:44 AM · #462

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by Larus:

Originally posted by keegbow:

I agree

My proposal is that we have no subs.

Gotta disagree with you on that one. Like in our example, Unneva was very excited to be in it and I had no doubt in my mind that she was going to enter everything but something unexpected came up and she had to take a break from DPC, not being able to sub her out for a period of 7-8 weeks would have left us or anyone for that matter at a serious disadvantage.

I think you meant to say "would have left everyone else "but us" at a serious disadvantage." :P Your team is hella stacked!

Hehe well maybe true about our team but not really the point :D Could sa the same for Nikon! :p

Something unexpected but good (just so nobody worries about her), happened to her and she had to take a break, something she was sorry to have to do but still had to.

05/05/2006 05:02:10 AM · #463

We should definitely keep subs for next year but there needs to be more rules as to exactly what type of replacement you can make. Dropping for example a newbie for kiwiness right before the playoffs begin isn't fair to anyone. But that's ok because Team Outcasts is this year's George Mason!* Ya better watch out!

* NCAA basketball reference

Message edited by author 2006-05-05 05:02:49.

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05/05/2006 05:13:39 AM · #464

The way I see it you have seven members with only four scores counted you already have enough people no need to sub if someone is down everyone else needs to lift. We have been a person down since round one but its not fair to sub him out of the game.

The current system is not fair on those people who put there names down at the beginning to be a sub and they are still sitting there because other teams have just brought subs in over the top of them. It should have been a first on the list system then I'm sure some teams would not have been so keen to sub if that was the case. One team even sub someone and that person kept entering comps, why were they subbed?

nards656

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

05/05/2006 08:20:25 AM · #465

In my opinion, subs should be assigned. If a team needs a sub, they pick the next available sub from the signup list. If there are specific "criteria" for team membership (Icelandic, Canon, or whatever), such consideration would be allowed, but it seems unfair to everyone to recruit outside when subs have signed up. If no sub that meets team "criteria" is avaiable, special subs could be allowed AS LONG AS THEIR AVERAGE SCORE DOES NOT EXCEED THE AVERAGE SCORE OF THE PERSON THEY ARE REPLACING.

Just my thoughts :) I don't know if I'll play next season; I've not been much help this time, but it's fun.

love

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

05/05/2006 08:57:11 AM · #466

I think there shouldn't be subs...period.

hopper

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

05/05/2006 09:00:44 AM · #467

Seems odd to me to have subs as well. You only count 4 out of 7 scores anyway ... so you sorta have 3 subs every week from your existing team.

Originally posted by capturedinprint:

I think there shouldn't be subs...period.

GuGi

Nikon D750

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

05/05/2006 09:41:01 AM · #468

I think we should consider how the teams were made up in the first place. It was a mixture of people signing up and then some picking and chosing. Some only wanted teammembers with high-scores, some didn't mind having high and low. Please take a look at the team I am on and see for yourselves.
This is the way it started, these were the rules at the time, and suddenly assigning subs should now be done by other rules.
The sublist is a list of people who didn't make it in the first run. I can't see why we shouldn't wait for this round to be over and done with, see how many teams continue and see what the teams want to do if there are empty slots.
I think many of the teams have created a team-spirit, they function well together and would like to have some saying in who comes in. Maybe some of the people that have dropped out for some reason would like to be a part of their old team again.
A team is a small or a large group of people that decide to get together, wanting to create good results, be it sports, moneymaking, photography or whatever.
If the people on the sublist still want to play game, they are free to make new teams. I can't see why there couldn't be more than 12 teams in The WPL.
So, to all the subs ... join the marines .... The Submarines of WPL. :-)

GIS_boy

Canon EOS-7D

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM for Canon

05/05/2006 09:44:06 AM · #469

Originally posted by GuGi:

Very well said.

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05/05/2006 05:14:48 PM · #470

Originally posted by GuGi:

This is the way it started, these were the rules at the time, and suddenly assigning subs should now be done by other rules.

I think you are a little confused no one is asking for a change of rules for this season.

In your earlier post you asked for â��constructive criticismâ�� that is all that has been offered here. We are all looking at ways of improvement for the next season of WPL.

Message edited by author 2006-05-05 17:28:40.

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

05/05/2006 07:11:38 PM · #471

Hi everyone,
I am working on season two now. I'm trying to make it fair and I welcome any suggestions from anyone. They are greatly appreciated. So far this is what I planed for season two.

1. Instead of 12 teams there will be 20.
2. Each team will consist of 7 photographers.
3. The top 4 photographer scores will count toward team score for the week.
4. There will be NO substitutes. The remaining three players on your team should be enough to take the place of a photographer that can't participate in a given week.
5. Because the WPL2 will have 20 teams the regular season will be 10 weeks long and each team will have 1 bye week.
6. There will be 2 leagues and two divisions in each league.
7. Teams will play teams in there on league and both divisions.
8. At the end of the season there will be 4 division champions (one from each division) and two wildcard teams (one from each league). So 6 teams will make the playoffs.

Some things I do need advice on
1. I need to name each league (2). Looking for suggestion.
2. I need to name each division (4). Looking for suggestions.
3. I need suggestions on how to make each team even as possible but at the same time not limiting a team to who they can have on there team.
EXAMPLE: A team could consist of :
Based on beginning averages:
2 photographers with an average of 6 or greater.
2 photographers with an average of 5.5 to 5.9999
3 photographers with an average of < 5.5000
Thats just an example. Suggestions welcome

4. People can start getting there teams together and emailing me there team name and each photographer. Please provide link to each photographer if possible.

5. If you don't have a team together and want to participate in WPL2 then PM me with your name and I will put you the list of photographers that want to participate in WPL2. I will have that list posted in WPL1 Sunday night so everyone can see who whats to participate and get together.

6. We need 20 team captains. So if you want to be a captain of a team please specify in your PM.

WPL2 will be very similar to WPL1 but with a little more evenness in teams. I still have a lot of work to do and welcome any suggestions in rules, teams, etc. If you have a suggestion please PM me. I will return your PM as soon as possible. I ask for PM's because it is easier for me to go through them and answer or contact the user in a timely manor without overlooking a post.

Thanks,
-SDW

Message edited by author 2006-05-05 19:13:52.

05/05/2006 07:27:57 PM · #472

Ok here's a great idea! What about increasing the roster sizes and filling the extra slots with members that balance out the teams? The commissioner would fill those slots with members that have expressed interest in joining. Also, instead of taking the top entries each week and averaging them take the top entries AND the bottom entries and average them each week. At first I thought this may be a bad idea but when I thought about it what better way to get newbies involved that are just learning to interact and get tips from the top members of the team? You'd be encouraging mentorship since every team will have to count the lowest scores. Anyway, just an idea to consider.

Btw, Southern Gentleman you're doing a great job!

ETA: This addresses talent discrepancy, the need to keep team unity and brings in a new element of mentorship.

Message edited by author 2006-05-05 19:29:38.

Marc923

05/05/2006 09:05:09 PM · #473

Originally posted by yanko:

One problem I see with that, is the Mag 7. Their worst score is sometimes better than everyone else's score.

I think the only reason we beat them, is we had a great week and they had an off week.