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04/05/2006 08:57:21 PM · #1 |
| My question is how does this work that we only have to vote on 20% of the entries? Lets say Jonny gets 20% of the high end voters ( normal vote over 5 ) and Timmy with a better photo gets 20% of the low end voters ( normal vote under 5 ). Good for Jonny, Bad for Timmy. Also I noticed that in a few of the challenges there will only be half the number of voters to the number of entries. Am I right in my thinking that, If you enter a challenge you should have to Vote on 100%. |
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04/05/2006 08:58:04 PM · #2 |
| Certainly! But you are not required to! |
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04/05/2006 08:59:01 PM · #3 |
I try to vote 100% and do most of the time
Message edited by author 2006-04-05 20:59:23.
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04/05/2006 09:10:42 PM · #4 |
I would love to vote on 100% and comment on 100% with meaningful comments, but time is a problem. I don't think anyone would enter challeneges if they knew that in order toenter they also had to vote on 100% of the shots in the challenge. This is a problem, especially when three challenegs are coming to an end and there are 4-500 shots in each!
I think we do the best we can. I get a lot out of making comments because I learn a lot through that. But some shots, they are good average shots that rate a 5 or 6 and I really can't stop long enough to comment.
That's my 5 cents worth
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04/05/2006 09:12:45 PM · #5 |
| "If" I vote on a challenge, it's ALL or NOTHING (in which case, I guess I didn't vote on that challenge...hmm, funny how that worked out....) |
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04/05/2006 09:30:17 PM · #6 |
For some people time for photo's to load is the issue especially those on dial up. I know one person who could only possiby vote on 4 photo's an hour due to slow load ups.
ADSL is now in their area but its not in everyones.
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04/05/2006 09:33:43 PM · #7 |
The 20% does work ok, as long as you don't "cherry pick" which ones you'll vote on.
We all see the submissions turn up at random, so if we vote on them exactly as they come along, everybody gets pretty much the same amount of votes.
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04/06/2006 01:35:24 AM · #8 |
I agree that you shouldn't 'cherry pick' what you vote on. Often the thumbnails are hardly an indication of whether or not you should have a look at a shot. So I systematically go through one photo after the other till I finish, so there is no bias because of what I see in a thumbnail.
(Hooray for me ;-) )
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04/06/2006 01:56:28 AM · #9 |
Does anyone know the answer to this?
Photo 1 is good, gets 100 votes of 7, averages 7.
Photo 2 is bad, everyone ignores it, gets 1 vote of 8, averages 8.
Who wins? (Photo 2 by what I can tell.)
With that in mind, I'm thinking the only solution is ...
Vote 100% if and when you can, otherwise if you have to cherry pick the "best of", you should also cherry pick the "worst of", and offer comments as to why.
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04/06/2006 02:05:09 AM · #10 |
The voting is random. When voting, the next image to come up after placing a vote is different for everyone. Statistically, a few dozen random votes are all that are needed to define the final distribution of images. So, as long as there is no cherry picking it is fine.
There is some cherry-picking, of course, but the number of completely random votes far out number them so they are not a significant problem. There was an attempt to get the thumbnail page hidden until after a person was finished voting to help remove the cherry-picking that is being done -- but nothing ever came of it.
BTW: the random order of images makes sure every image gets enough votes to be fairly determined.
David
Message edited by author 2006-04-06 02:06:01.
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04/06/2006 04:13:41 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by ralfw:
Does anyone know the answer to this?
Photo 1 is good, gets 100 votes of 7, averages 7.
Photo 2 is bad, everyone ignores it, gets 1 vote of 8, averages 8.
Who wins? (Photo 2 by what I can tell.)
With that in mind, I'm thinking the only solution is ...
Vote 100% if and when you can, otherwise if you have to cherry pick the "best of", you should also cherry pick the "worst of", and offer comments as to why. |
There are enough voters, and particularly enough voters that don't cherry-pick, that the probability of something like the scenario you describe occurring (in such a way that results are skewed) is vanishingly small. The obvious answer to your question is "don't cherry pick", but even if some voters do cherry pick only best of photos, it won't skew the results.
Voting 100% could be tough on some of the larger challenges. Or unfortunate things could happen - like my monitor died after I had voted about 50% of Abstract Macro. I'd be annoyed if all the time I'd spent voting had gone to waste because of that... (no replacement yet, I'm posting this from work) requiring a 100% vote would actually encourage people to cherry pick i.e. "If I'm not able to make my votes count, I may as well just look at and appreciate the good ones."
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