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08/07/2003 07:08:38 AM · #26 |
My photo is apparently one of the ones that doesnt fit the challenge, but right angles are the only thing in my photo, so if it has any strength at all it must be the right angles that provide it :P
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08/07/2003 07:42:32 AM · #27 |
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08/07/2003 12:55:53 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Originally posted by nathaliedoo:
Look a t this shot //www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=20633
I got an average of 2 by non-camera users ...
Discouraging.. |
For picture 8,border 2 average 5 from me!,Idon't think your border is legal! |
Thanks for the picture 8!!! But why do you make an average between the picture skills and the border which is only a frame to it? After all do you score 5 points for the picture and 5 points for the border? And don't you remember that you should vote as if legal and ask a DQ not vote according as if DQed... ;o)
Anyhow, it has been validated : I once ask for a DQ of same border and was replied by the adm that it was legal. Only if you incorporate a piece of art in the border than it is not legal. At least this is what I understood.
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08/07/2003 01:16:40 PM · #29 |
...neither of those links work... Are you sure they're spelled right??? I'm especially interested in your site, Bod.
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08/07/2003 01:37:44 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by timmi:
I have made it rule for myself that I am not going to give anyone a score of less than 3 (unless the image is blank)... I am not going to lower the scores once I assign them, because my first impression is very important. I give photographs good scores sometimes even if they are little bit flawed just for the effort that someone actually took the time to find something interesting to show us.
I really WISH some of the lower score "givers" would lighten up a little and value what they are loking at. But that's just me. |
We've covered this ground before, but, what the heck...
So for you, photos are scored on a scale of 3-10. The absolute worst, out-of-focus, poorly-lit, uncomposed snapshot with absolutely no connection whatsoever to the challenge would get a 3, because, hey, the photographer took the time to take the shot, so it must have some value. That means that you only have 7 points left to reward those who do a better job, make a better effort, and get better results by distinguishing their shots from the rest of the pack. I personally choose to use the entire range of 10 points, so that a 10 really separates an outstanding picture from that awful picture, and especially so I can make more distinction between those good, a little better than good, and very good shots in the middle. So all you've really done by eliminating 1 and 2 from your scoring is give the absolutely worst pictures a sense of false acheivement, lessen the value of the score given to the best pictures, and make yourself feel better for your compassion.
Just some food for thought.... (BTW, not meant as a personal attack, just trying to give you a more reasoned perspective...)
Message edited by author 2003-08-07 13:42:23. |
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08/07/2003 06:56:06 PM · #31 |
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08/07/2003 08:39:26 PM · #32 |
I agree that there are many images that appear not to meet the challenge, particularly the a Right Angle is the "strength" of the image. This challenge is very "interpretable".
Generally speaking I give an image a high rating even if I don't immediately see how it matches the challenge theme.
I go through a second time with the good images (ones I give a 6 or above) and reshuffle the deck for final scoring. I usually up image scores at that time to their final rankings. It is at that time I pick my personal top three.
When I get down to "separating the men from the boys" so to speak the images that get the highest scores are the ones that I can see meet the challenge best.
I rarely reduce an image's score because of the challenge theme unless I can make no connection at all. Too many people interpret things different from me to penalize them for it.
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08/07/2003 10:55:29 PM · #33 |
A right angle is a line or a curve or a lean...to the right.....nothing more, nothing less...
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08/08/2003 07:27:22 PM · #34 |
Hmm, maybe this is why interpretation of this challenge is such a.... challenge...
From dictionary.com: An angle formed by the perpendicular intersection of two straight lines; an angle of 90°.
A right angle is a 90°, formed by two lines. No curves or leanings involved.
That's not to say that the right angle in a given shot can't lean, tilt, or otherwise be "off balance" - a perfect example was the shot Kosta posted on another thread of a dam - not literally 90° as captured, but pretty obviously a 90° angle in real life.
But right-leaning lines or curves? Sorry, that's not a right angle.
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08/09/2003 01:04:18 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
But right-leaning lines or curves? Sorry, that's not a right angle. |
Sooo.... Body parts can make a correct right angle?
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08/09/2003 01:17:06 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
From dictionary.com: An angle formed by the perpendicular intersection of two straight lines; an angle of 90°.
A right angle is a 90°, formed by two lines. No curves or leanings involved.
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*Yawn* Try thinking outside the box. Would a shot of framing square be a 10 in your eyes? |
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08/09/2003 01:35:38 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
*Yawn* Try thinking outside the box. Would a shot of framing square be a 10 in your eyes? |
THAT thinking outside the box line is sooooo trite at this point. How about changing the shape from box to a cone or a cylinder or a whatever.... Let the linguists have a field day for once. Hey, who was that guy who coined the term "prosumer" ?
Ok, gotta send this and say ciao for now... I need to refrain eating my meals here by the computer. The keys are getting sticky with noodle grease. Yuck.
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08/09/2003 01:39:12 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by chalcone:
I need to refrain eating my meals here by the computer. The keys are getting sticky with noodle grease. Yuck.
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OK, then start thinking outside the noodle, and eat some Big Macs instead at your computer. The special sauce isn't as sticky as noodle grease. :D
Message edited by author 2003-08-09 01:39:40. |
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08/09/2003 03:21:55 AM · #39 |
I'm guessing a lot of people are confusing "stength" and "focal point" as meaning the same thing in this challenge.
Personally for me, I'm voting such that if I take the "right angles" out of the photo, would the picture still be as strong without them (ie do the right angles add something to the photo, or are they just there to meet the "right angles" for the challenge)
For example think of this image - a person walking along a beach leaving foot prints in the sand. The focal point would be the person, but the strength would most likely be the footprints. |
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08/09/2003 04:46:33 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
*Yawn* Try thinking outside the box. Would a shot of framing square be a 10 in your eyes? |
No, and no need to be a wise *** about it. If you read anything in context, you might have figured out that I was responding to someone suggesting that right angles were lines or curves leaning to the right, and nothing else but that. I thought that might explain why people are complaining that their shot which they feel have obvious right angles are getting comments that there are no right angles. Maybe either the photographer or the voter doesn't understand the basic definition of the term. |
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08/09/2003 04:49:24 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by tarique:
Originally posted by ScottK:
But right-leaning lines or curves? Sorry, that's not a right angle. |
Sooo.... Body parts can make a correct right angle? |
Sure, why not. A picture of an arm bent at the elbow at anything close to 90° would work for me. (But I'm not certain what position your asking from, given the part of my post you quoted...) |
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08/09/2003 09:16:25 AM · #42 |
I look at it this way, if the photo didn't have the right angle(s) in it, would it be as good a photo?
Does the right angle(s) in the photo give it its character? If it does, then I look at the rest of the image's characteristics and vote on it accordingly.
The right angle doesn't have to poke me in the eye to be considered a right angle. And on the other hand, the photo has to have more than right angles in it to get a good vote.
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08/09/2003 10:06:06 AM · #43 |
I definitely share and respect the views of pitzaman and goodtempo.
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08/09/2003 12:54:05 PM · #44 |
Some of the challenges give a specific subject, like roundness and temperature. We choose the objects and compositional devices to express this subject. With other challenges, like contrasts and right angles, we choose the subject and must use a specific compositional requirement in expressing it. A lot of entries in the right angle challenge have use "right angles" as the subject of the photo. This is certainly valid, and some have done a great job. There are also some outstanding entries that have a different subject and effectively utilize right angles to portray it. And there are entries, as pointed out, that have lots of incidental right angles that don't really provide strength to the image. (Alas, mine is one of these.)
One thing I've learned from this challenge is that when you combine four right angles to make a square or rectangle, they lose their individual identities as right angles. Similarly, two perpendicular rectangles make a right angle, but three make a box. Open angles and closed shapes have quite different effects on an image. (Please note I am not suggesting that images whose strength comes from squares don't meet the challenge; after all, the right angles are there!) |
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