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04/03/2006 12:13:46 PM · #126

Originally posted by anthonyczaja:

Is this team thing really the way to go? There may be no way to prove it, but my guess would be that scores are going to be lower now that we have teams. Team members are collaborating and possibly communicating what photos they are entering with each other. Of course to get higher votes from team members, but also to allow team members to vote lower scores for all other good photos. If this is not happening with your team than it certainly is with another, because people want to win and under this new team order the motivation is present. I don't want to hear the argument that the same thing could have occured prior to the team competition. Someone may say that a person wanting to win badly enough may give every photo a score of 1 (which I'm sure is not beneath one or two people). However, that would have affected everyone equally. One of the big differences is that unser the team concept your team members can now vote for their own team's entries. On the flip side, receiving one or two unreasonably low scores is different than receiving them from an entire team or possibly from more than one team. This will most hurt those who are not participating on a team. That person will not receive the high votes from team members (because they don't have any) and will receive unreasonable low votes from other teams thinking that their nice entry might be from a competing team. I'm sure this system is fun for those involved and great to make close relationships with a small group of other photographers, but comes across as being exclusive rather than inclusive as the site has seemed to be in the past. As my post implys I fear that unless there are specific team challenges where the team approach is restricted to, this may be a huge negative turn for those who are not on teams and the site in general... Think about it...

AAAaaaaagreed

sammigurl

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

04/03/2006 12:14:35 PM · #127

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hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

04/03/2006 12:15:15 PM · #128

anthonyczaja,

Good post! I was going to say something just like this, but you beat me to the punch. I concur with your opinions completely. The team members certainly could and mosly likely will collaborate to boost their scores and rankings. The participants are probably aware that voting all 10's for their team and all 1's for everyone else will negate all of their votes. So, I'd guess they will be more clever and use a lot of 8's and 9's for friends and 2's and 3's for everyone else. I hope the SC takes a look at this.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/03/2006 12:17:43 PM · #129

Originally posted by anthonyczaja:

Team members are collaborating and possibly communicating what photos they are entering with each other.

I HIGHLY doubt that. Though these are called teams, all we're really doing is comparing groups of scores in an otherwise-ordinary challenge. Other than those who have posted in this thread, I have no idea which members have entered, much less which shot is theirs.

04/03/2006 12:17:46 PM · #130

"Originally posted by anthonyczaja:

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Team members are collaborating and possibly communicating what photos they are entering with each other. "
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Perhaps but I find that a much too pessimistic view. I am on a team and I have not nor will I tell my team mates about my Image. Why? Cuz it cheating and I want a fair competition. Does that mean everyone will do the same no but I trust in people as itâ��s my nature.

I have voted this challenge. My vote span this time is 4-5-6-7 with a few eights. I gave no one a score lower than 4.

If someone needs to cheat to win then karma will get them in the end. I can only have 100% control on my actions and not worry about others.

And FWIW I am at 5.4XXX and I thought for sure I would be at a 4.XXXX!

Just my $.02 itâ��s all good!

Message edited by author 2006-04-03 12:19:48.

DigiFotoBuddy

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

04/03/2006 12:20:27 PM · #131

42 votes, no commnets yet. I understand there are many pictures in this challenge, but still... BTW, not happy with the score 5.10 :o(

I really think it deserve better than that.

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

04/03/2006 12:26:18 PM · #132

Originally posted by scalvert:

[quote=anthonyczaja]Team members are collaborating and possibly communicating what photos they are entering with each other

"I HIGHLY doubt that. Though these are called teams, all we're really doing is comparing groups of scores in an otherwise-ordinary challenge....".

Wow! With all due respect to a SC member, you hold an incredibly naive opinion about the integrity of a fairly large number of people, who are intent upon team winning.

Message edited by author 2006-04-03 12:27:35.

anthonyczaja

04/03/2006 12:26:52 PM · #133

Originally posted by scalvert:

all we're really doing is comparing groups of scores in an otherwise-ordinary challenge.

... and trash talking, and competing for bragging rights. In other words creating motivation for a group of people to vote their photos higher than all other photo's.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/03/2006 12:30:17 PM · #134

Originally posted by anthonyczaja:

... and trash talking, and competing for bragging rights.

Heh... we've been trash talking and competing for bragging rights for years. Nothing has changed that would be worth risking a site ban for a higher score.

DustDevil

Canon EOS-70D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

04/03/2006 12:30:48 PM · #135

I find that most of the people that are on the teams have been here for 2-3 years if not longer. If they are suppose to be cheating now because its a competition and not before (but it still was a competition before). I am sure they would have slipped up along time ago. Other than the beginning of the team set up. I have not talked to anyone on my team. Nor have I made any comments on any of their entry's. I understand your points anthonyczaja. But I find most people who bring up the issue of cheating have had first hand knowledge of it...ie been caught or accused of it or someone cheated to win something from them. Not that I am saying that is your situation or anyone elses.

My last thoughts on entering this team challenge was cheating. For me it was about helping the team out with any shots I can. Simple as that and not to drag the team down with a DQ.

JayWalk

Canon EOS-6D

04/03/2006 12:37:28 PM · #136

Wow... I think people take this WAY too seriously. These "teams" are just a group of people banded together to see how scores compare. We are not competing for anything and just did this as to bring a little bit of motivation into achieving a high quality pic. Even the people who get all upset about individual challenges need a reality check as they are fighting over an imaginary cyberspace blue ribbon which in the grand scheme of things means NOTHING!

Anybody who cheats to win nothing... really needs something better to do with their time. I would honestly say that I doubt anybody on here is voting differently because of these team events. It just so happens that a lot of these images suck thus the low votes! I don't even know if any of my "team" has even entered this challenge nevermind what pictures they have submitted.

All that being said... I think you all suck cause my score is WAY lower than I was expecting! :)

04/03/2006 12:42:44 PM · #137

Originally posted by JayWalk:

All that being said... I think you all suck cause my score is WAY lower than I was expecting! :)

ROFLMAO

mattmac

04/03/2006 12:47:12 PM · #138

I think everyone is cheating...against me...

Every voting member here at DPC has PM'd eachother and figured out which image is mine.
Now, you all are voting - and giving my Yellow III image scores of 3 - 5.

I know this is happening.

There is NO other explanation as to why my score is so low.

(It can't be due to the shot itself...it SCREAMS perfection).

Sinners.

JayWalk

Canon EOS-6D

04/03/2006 12:52:20 PM · #139

Note to SC: Make the next yellow challenge, Yellow with NO flowers!

PLEASE!!!!

mattmac

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

04/03/2006 12:59:30 PM · #140

Originally posted by anthonyczaja:

Team members are collaborating and possibly communicating what photos they are entering with each other. Of course to get higher votes from team members, but also to allow team members to vote lower scores for all other good photos. Think about it...

Ok. I understand your concern.

I am the worst photog in this Team thing (not just on my team, but the whole shah-bang) - there was a poll and I saw the results. (uhm just kidding...about the poll, that is.)

If ANYONE was going to cheat or collaborate, it would be me or my teammates (to try to help me get a good score). I struggled to come up with an idea for Yellow III - but NOT ONCE did I PM anybody (on my team or elsewhere in the DPC community) for help.

I haven't even received a PM from one of my teammates since the Challenge was announced. And I assure you, none of them know which is my image.

My score isn't good.
At all.
And it has nothing to do with others conspiring against me...my image just didn't mesh with the DPC voting community.

DPC is for having fun.
Cheating is never fun or worthwhile.

That is all.

~mattmac

idnic

Canon EOS-60D

04/03/2006 01:04:18 PM · #141

...speaking of SCORES...

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And yes, I cheat on every entry :P

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

04/03/2006 01:08:15 PM · #142

Originally posted by JayWalk:

Note to SC: Make the next yellow challenge, Yellow with NO flowers!

PLEASE!!!!

I assume you went through all the yellow entries and marked, "Ugh, another flower shot!", just like you did on the clocks in the 2 second challenge.

Furthermore, I notice the team members are quickly defending the purity of their coalitions.

JayWalk

Canon EOS-6D

04/03/2006 01:09:39 PM · #143

^ Ha... nope not yet, but I still have time to go back and paste that comment into them all!

:)

04/03/2006 01:11:50 PM · #144

Originally posted by hahn23:

Furthermore, I notice the team members are quickly defending the purity of their coalitions.

I have nothing to defend and its sad you are so jaded!

This is supposed to be fun. Its for fun and as Jay said

"Anybody who cheats to win nothing... really needs something better to do with their time."

again my $.02

mattmac

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

04/03/2006 01:11:56 PM · #145

Originally posted by hahn23:

purity of their coalitions.

...as the driven snow.

DustDevil

Canon EOS-70D

04/03/2006 01:13:46 PM · #146

I cheat with my left hand.....sorry I can't resist.

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