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 04/05/2006 12:19:17 AM · #26
What makes a voter a troll? A photographer who can not grasp that someone may not like their photo...
 04/05/2006 12:21:05 AM · #27
"Oh yes give me 1" - Monika L. to Bill Clinton
 04/05/2006 12:22:32 AM · #28
"I am the 1" - Neo in Matrix
 04/05/2006 12:26:10 AM · #29
"If you give me 1, i will give you 1" - Newtons (III law, equal and opposite reaction)
 04/05/2006 12:26:33 AM · #30
Originally posted by TooCool:
What makes a voter a troll? A photographer who can not grasp that someone may not like their photo...


Not liking it is one thing, giving a one is another. To not like an image, but have that image be well executed and lit, does not mean it's a one just because you don't LIKE it. :D

I would say a 5 vote would be a shot thats well done & meets the challenge, but you just don't care for.

Message edited by author 2006-04-05 00:27:59.
 04/05/2006 12:26:43 AM · #31
Originally posted by zxaar:
"we only vote 9, 1, 1" - al kaeda


That's really witty.
 04/05/2006 12:26:54 AM · #32
"I am not troll, I just vote in binary" - Compu-head
 04/05/2006 12:30:32 AM · #33
I thought you were supposed to vote 1 if you want it to come first place, 2 for second place, 3 for third place etc.
04/05/2006 12:40:01 AM · #34
...and then there are peeps that have no idea what they are voting on....

"I don't get that, let's see...hmmm...1. Oh what a lovely snapshot that is an 8 for sure"


04/05/2006 12:43:15 AM · #35
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Not liking it is one thing, giving a one is another. To not like an image, but have that image be well executed and lit, does not mean it's a one just because you don't LIKE it. :D

I would say a 5 vote would be a shot thats well done & meets the challenge, but you just don't care for.


OK... Here we go again... Let's say for sake of argument that I don't like turds... You post up a technically perfect shot of a turd. Don't expect me to give the turd shot a 5 just because it's done well... It's still a turd!
 04/05/2006 12:47:36 AM · #36
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Not liking it is one thing, giving a one is another. To not like an image, but have that image be well executed and lit, does not mean it's a one just because you don't LIKE it. :D

I would say a 5 vote would be a shot thats well done & meets the challenge, but you just don't care for.


OK... Here we go again... Let's say for sake of argument that I don't like turds... You post up a technically perfect shot of a turd. Don't expect me to give the turd shot a 5 just because it's done well... It's still a turd!


Then your not being objective enough. ;o)
 04/05/2006 12:50:08 AM · #37
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Then your not being objective enough. ;o)


Then you're asking too much... Photography is as much if not more about the subject as it is about the technicals... Take a great picture of a shi++y subject and it's still a shi++y picture...
 04/05/2006 01:04:59 AM · #38
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Then your not being objective enough. ;o)


Then you're asking too much... Photography is as much if not more about the subject as it is about the technicals... Take a great picture of a shi++y subject and it's still a shi++y picture...


I would have to disagree with your premise in this instance. The mere fact that you as an individual consider a subject to be "shitty" does not equate to the image being "shitty.

What you are showing here is your preferences... which are not to be confused with the quality of the image.

Too many times we see quality images being downgraded simply because they do not fall into the acceptable realm of the general populace. There are absolutely horrifying images taken during armed conflicts that would absolutely "tank' in this realm, simply because the masses would find them too graphic.... that however does not negate the fact that they indeed are captivating quality images.

Your vote is exactly that........Your vote. However, we should not confuse personal preferences with image quality... they are not the same.

Just a thought

Ray
 04/05/2006 01:10:56 AM · #39
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I would have to disagree with your premise in this instance. The mere fact that you as an individual consider a subject to be "shitty" does not equate to the image being "shitty.

What you are showing here is your preferences... which are not to be confused with the quality of the image.

Too many times we see quality images being downgraded simply because they do not fall into the acceptable realm of the general populace. There are absolutely horrifying images taken during armed conflicts that would absolutely "tank' in this realm, simply because the masses would find them too graphic.... that however does not negate the fact that they indeed are captivating quality images.

Your vote is exactly that........Your vote. However, we should not confuse personal preferences with image quality... they are not the same.

Just a thought

Ray


Quality of image will not sell an 8x10 framed and matted image of a turd...
 04/05/2006 01:12:22 AM · #40
I have an idea! If you click the 1 vote your computer shocks you. If you click on 2 it shocks you less and so on. Problem solved!
 04/05/2006 01:12:34 AM · #41
Originally posted by TooCool:
OK... Here we go again... Let's say for sake of argument that I don't like turds... You post up a technically perfect shot of a turd. Don't expect me to give the turd shot a 5 just because it's done well... It's still a turd!


True, but it doesn't mean you need to vote 1. In the above scenario I would start with 5, and then ask the following questions: How well does it meet challenge? How appealing is the composition? How balanced is the composition? If you had a technically correct turd with a neutral background that met challenge, with an okay composition and excellent lighting, I would still probably end up below 5, but only just. Why? Because the choice of subject is unnecessary, doesn't even evoke a reaction, and comes as standard in a flat colour. 4.
 04/05/2006 01:17:40 AM · #42
Originally posted by TooCool:
Quality of image will not sell an 8x10 framed and matted image of a turd...


I would beg to disagree.......there are countless numbers of images that are (IMHO) unadulterated "crap" that do indeed sell for a pretty penny.

The gist of the argument here is not what MY preferences are, but rather is the image a good one.

The mere fact that I consider something "crap" does not necessarily make it so........ I am but one opinion amongst the masses.......as is yours.

Ray
 04/05/2006 01:20:00 AM · #43
If the people who vote like troll would think this much , as you people are discussing (or arguing), we would not be discussing this issue.
There is no use of this discussion, if i am a troll i just do not think i just vote 1.
04/05/2006 01:42:10 AM · #44
Once in a while, or sometimes a little more than once in a while, I feel the need to vote something a 1. Because the image is just too horrible to look at. If it obviously took NO thought, NO effort, in my opinion, I will vote it a one. For example, a photo taken with a cell phone camera. There is no way that someone could really, really put any effort into taking a cell phone picture, and I've seen at least two here. Those got 1's from me.

But the rest at least get a three.

Message edited by author 2006-04-05 01:42:42.
 04/05/2006 02:06:07 AM · #45
Originally posted by sammigurl:
For example, a photo taken with a cell phone camera. There is no way that someone could really, really put any effort into taking a cell phone picture, and I've seen at least two here.


Well you haven't met my wife, she put lot of effort in taking pic from cell phone camera. Second you haven't seen cellphones in japan, they take really good pics. You won't be able to find the difference between them and a normal point and shoot pic.

Message edited by author 2006-04-05 02:06:35.
 04/05/2006 02:11:28 AM · #46
Do trolls exist? Yesh. How do I know? My vote jumped by 0.25 pts in the rollover last time. That means that a significant portion of votes were thrown OUTTA HERE. How many on an image that ended up getting a 5.0xx from a vote in the 4.8's with over 200 votes? probably only a very small handful.

One thing I'd like to know is when did this vote cleaning start? I'm quite surprised that most of the recent blue ribbons have almost no low votes, compared with a few months ago when everyone got ones.

Oh yeah, and voting 1 isn't mean. Putting a picture in that is seriously bad is mean. :) Actually, there's a reason there is a 1, so it's not wrong to use it.

My current submission is seriously "low-mediocre" and is getting a fair share of 1's, but like mentioned earlier, that doesn't mean the image itself is a 1, it just means that people thought it was a 1. That's quite fine with me.

I vote 1's on just about every challenge, some challenges get quite a few 1's from me, but generally, I find that most of my votes follow the trends. A lot of pictures that I feel are good, but are outside of general trends get inflated votes from me and occasionally I see pictures that look good but are highly inappropriate for the challenge, so they get decreased votes. These are usually in the 4-5 range though, not 1.
 04/05/2006 02:25:59 AM · #47
A troll is basically a person that votes differently then the norm.
 04/05/2006 02:30:01 AM · #48
My toy score! :-P
 04/05/2006 02:31:45 AM · #49
Originally posted by faidoi:
A troll is basically a person that votes differently then the norm.


But we don't mind the unwarrented 8, 9, or 10. I don't think we call them trolls.

If your average vote cast is below a 4, you might be a troll.
 04/05/2006 02:49:15 AM · #50
Originally posted by eschelar:
Do trolls exist? Yesh. How do I know? My vote jumped by 0.25 pts in the rollover last time. That means that a significant portion of votes were thrown OUTTA HERE.

Those may have represented people who voted in a completely normal pattern, but failed to vote on 20% of the entries before the voting deadline.

I would guess that the vast majority of discarded votes are for failure to reach the voting "quorum" and not for aberrant voting patterns, though I have no hard data to back up that estimation.
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