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04/01/2006 01:09:47 PM · #51

I believe that all forms of deviant behavior have served a purpose at some point during history; including murder and mans' instinctive desire for multiple partners. As we have "evolved" in society the acceptance of certain practices shifts according to their success or failure. Obviously, the sex trade is successful, based on the billions that are spent. This includes sex with children and animals (both of which have existed throughout recorded history).

I'm a slave to the conditioning of the value system in which I was raised. I've tried, to no avail, to be open-minded and wrap my head around unusual sexual requests that have been made from previous lovers. What feels wrong to me feels wrong no matter how much hounding I'm subjected to. Interestingly, all of those things I've been asked to do were considered appealing because of the guy's excessive exposure to pornography (They admitted this).

Perhaps stripping has changed in recent years. A lot of studies suggest that the majority of people in the sex industry were sexualized as children. The ones I've met, or known of were all on a lot of drugs and frequently had unprotected sex with clients from the strip club. And, yes, many of those clients were married. Many of these women also turned to other women for love and companionship due to disenchantment with the men they encountered.

I've seen enough to conclude that this culture can cloud one's thinking and provide an environment where people begin to accept behavior they might have, otherwise, avoided. I had a roommate who brought home a stripper for a few weeks. He was separated from his wife with weekend custody of their baby. The stripper said she was working her way through medical school. They had sex on a bare mattress with his toddler in the same room. When I kicked him out I discovered dirty diapers everywhere. At least they used condoms (yes, I found those too!)

The one question I ask about it is: Why do they do it for money? I think the money is in exchange for their sense of self-worth. Plenty of single moms support their family without stripping. And very few self-confident, educated women perform sexually for free.

Message edited by author 2006-04-01 13:16:56.

Bear_Music

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04/01/2006 01:32:36 PM · #52

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

And very few self-confident, educated women perform sexually for free.

???? Self-confident, educated women CHARGE for sex? Did you type that right?

R.

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04/01/2006 01:45:19 PM · #53

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by greatandsmall:
And very few self-confident, educated women perform sexually for free.

???? Self-confident, educated women CHARGE for sex? Did you type that right?

R.

LOL. No, I guess I didn't:0

See why I need an editor?

Edit to add:
It is my opinion that very few self-confident, educated women perform sexually for strangers at all. I've met some who insist that they posess those traits; however they perform for money.

Message edited by author 2006-04-01 13:49:01.

Bear_Music

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04/01/2006 01:46:59 PM · #54

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by greatandsmall:
And very few self-confident, educated women perform sexually for free.

???? Self-confident, educated women CHARGE for sex? Did you type that right?

R.

LOL. No, I guess I didn't:0

See why I need an editor?

(wink)

R.

04/01/2006 01:47:58 PM · #55

Lets just put the rubber to the road.

Of the people participating on this thread, how many fit the following:

1) Married once
2) For at least 10 years
3) Frequent stip clubs at least once a year
4) With your wife's permission

I'll pay attention to anybody who fits this bill...

pawdrix

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04/01/2006 02:42:15 PM · #56

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Well, feel free to ignore me in that case. No problem.

"The Oldest Profession" is the oldest profession for good reason. The whole genre seems to fit in pretty well with human nature or in this case the nature of man.

Our drives course deeply in our veins and to ignore or try to stifle them, simply isn't logical.

Ask yourself honestly. why the porn industry is a multi billion dollar business and you'll probably get many different answers and within, degress of reason. It's not a black and white question with black and white answers...good or evil.

People work in the industry for different reasons and people are consumers of it's goods and services for different reasons.

04/01/2006 02:44:15 PM · #57

Drugs: Also a multi-billion dollar industry.

pawdrix

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04/01/2006 03:03:57 PM · #58

Rap Music: Also a multi-billion dollar industry.

My point is why are you (or someones husband/wife pertaining to this thread) a buyer?

Are the reasons good, bad, healthy or unhealthy?

I beleive that there are some very healthy, perfectly normal reasons why some men occasionally visit Strip Clubs. While on the other end of the spectrum it might be a complete sickness.

I understand if you are very religious, there are no categories that are acceptable...it's black and white, only bad reasons and there's not much of a discussion here.

Hey, I wonder if DPC has broken up any marriages?

Message edited by author 2006-04-01 15:09:15.

04/01/2006 03:21:47 PM · #59

Well, actually I can drive people within my religious community nuts because I ask the "why" questions as well. They are always worth exploring.

The sex industry has been and always will be with us for some simple reasons. Men are visually oriented and excited. Women are emotionally or physically (touch) oriented and excited. This is why strip clubs catering to men outnumber those catering to women probably twenty to one.

I can understand, believe me. I mentioned I went to a strip club once. Was it unpleasant? No. Did I enjoy it? While I was there, for the most part. Does that mean it is ok? Not by itself. Can it still do insidious, long-lasting damage? Yes.

Think of it this way. Big Macs taste good. You can eat one and feel great. Eating a Big Mac serves a natural purpose. We were built to eat. But if you ate a Big Mac every day, you are doing harm to yourself which will not possibly be evident until it is too late.

Porn is the Big Mac of sex. It feels good and it even acts through natural purposes. Viewing porn once or a dozen times is unlikely to do something to you in a permanent sense. But built up over the years your brain has shifted and altered and now you are in a large hole that you must dig out of.

The road may seem straight and safe, but if there are experienced people standing on the side screaming that the bridge is out, I'm asking that you at least pay attention to what they have to say.

robs

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04/01/2006 04:04:16 PM · #60

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

The road may seem straight and safe, but if there are experienced people standing on the side screaming that the bridge is out, I'm asking that you at least pay attention to what they have to say.

This just caught my attention. There are "experienced" people all over the place - on the road, on the left and right all screaming their opinion and most believe what they scream. Each person needs to figure out where they stand and block out the same old screaming - new information is one thing but most of the screaming is just trying to convert to their position. Sorry, had to say it....

04/01/2006 04:37:05 PM · #61

Originally posted by robs:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
The road may seem straight and safe, but if there are experienced people standing on the side screaming that the bridge is out, I'm asking that you at least pay attention to what they have to say.

This just caught my attention. There are "experienced" people all over the place - on the road, on the left and right all screaming their opinion and most believe what they scream. Each person needs to figure out where they stand and block out the same old screaming - new information is one thing but most of the screaming is just trying to convert to their position. Sorry, had to say it....

No problem. We all gotta evaluate who's flappin' their lips. I presented my credentials before. I'm waiting to see if there are any who fit my criteria above...

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04/01/2006 04:39:14 PM · #62

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I fit the bill for items 1 to 2, haven't fulfilled item 3 in many years, ... but I will be damned if I need anyone's permission.

- I certainly have no problems informing my mate of my desires to do certain things...
- will certainly take her view point into consideration...
- but she knows only too well that I have no intentions of imposing my will on her wishes...
- and that I fully expect mine to be respected as well.

The issue of "Permission" is the most important aspect of the discussion from my perspective... and one that I am not prepared to abide with.

Ray

BeeCee

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04/02/2006 01:20:50 AM · #63

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

We've been married 25 years less 2 weeks, only marriage for both.
I don't THINK hubby's been to a strip club in a couple years, but he may have been, and yes he has my permission. I also have his, tho' I haven't been to one in a couple years either, since a male friend took my daughter, her friend and I for her 21st birthday.

So Dr., I don't QUITE fit the bill, but close... does that count?

edit; (tho' "permission" isn't the right word. I would never permit or forbid. But no, I don't have a problem with him going.)

Message edited by author 2006-04-02 01:23:01.

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04/02/2006 01:27:36 AM · #64

Originally posted by BeeCee:

So Dr., I don't QUITE fit the bill, but close... does that count?

Well, I'm somewhat intrigued, but I guess you didn't qualify. ;)

So why would you consider this an acceptable part of his life? I'm curious. Is there a line? Topless? Completely nude? Lapdances?

BeeCee

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04/02/2006 01:54:42 AM · #65

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by BeeCee:
So Dr., I don't QUITE fit the bill, but close... does that count?

Well, I'm somewhat intrigued, but I guess you didn't qualify. ;)

So why would you consider this an acceptable part of his life? I'm curious. Is there a line? Topless? Completely nude? Lapdances?

Why not? We both appreciate the human form, and if I see a particularly attractive woman I'll point her out to him. My daughter and I do the same with both women and men.
No contact is allowed in clubs here so lapdances aren't an issue, but I know he's not interested in that anyway. I trust him, and I know that the occasional visit to a strip club is a social time with friends. I've gone with him and he's gone alone with them. For us it's no different than going to any other sort of club for a social night.
I believe it's only a problem if you make it a problem.

Shecoya

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04/02/2006 01:55:07 AM · #66

Originally posted by loseme:

Just a quick question for anyone. I am just curious if you would let your partner/spouse go to a strip club?

Absolutely!! even better if I was there with him!! just sayin'

pawdrix

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04/02/2006 09:59:08 AM · #67

I was just catching up on this thread at the same time as I was choosing some music to play and I can highly recommend reading these posts to Elvis Presleys "Suspicious Minds"...quite an enjoyable tune and it adds a good deal of humor to this whole affaire.

To:BeeCee and Shecoya

Have I ever told you both that I love you? Well, I do.
Where have you been all my life???

Message edited by author 2006-04-02 10:00:07.

MrHllywd07

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04/02/2006 10:11:36 AM · #68

I have been to a few strip clubs since I have been married. I always tell my wife, "Hey, we ended up at a booby bar" or I will tell her flat out that we went, like last year when I went to Vegas with the guys, we ended up at a dive club downtown. She has no problem with it because she TRUSTS me, as well as I TRUST her if she was going to go to a Chippendales show. Its not like your going to meet someone of the opposite sex and get laid in one of those places. I do not go to them alot, but when I do, it is always with the guys. Now if I was going alot, and going alone, then there would be a problem.

kenskid

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04/02/2006 10:46:26 AM · #69

I wouldn't want my wife in a bar getting "grinded" in the face! Not that I don't trust her...I just don't want a strange man's ***** in her face !

KS

04/02/2006 11:11:03 AM · #70

I have a question for the Pro-strip club people:
Would you encourage your daughter to get into this industry?

04/02/2006 11:15:15 AM · #71

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

I have a question for the Pro-strip club people:
Would you encourage your daughter to get into this industry?

Not in the least........then again I spent 30 years in a police force and wouldn't recommend she do that either.

If this was the life style she opted for... you can rest assured that I would support her in her endeavours, and certainly not cast her out or disown her... Let it be known that some of the people you seemingly are so prepared to cast aspersions upon have more character, and are probably more honest and trustworthy than some of the so called pillars of our society. A close scrutinity of some of the more nefarious activities of some of the churches come to mind.....need I say more.

Ray

Message edited by author 2006-04-02 11:24:03.

04/02/2006 11:20:24 AM · #72

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by greatandsmall:
I have a question for the Pro-strip club people:
Would you encourage your daughter to get into this industry?

Not in the least........then again I spent 30 years in a police force and wouldn't recommend she do that either.

Ray

For the same reasons?

04/02/2006 11:29:35 AM · #73

It seems more than a few people seem to reject the idea of "permission". Either you or your spouse can do what they want in the marriage.

What if you or your spouse wanted to solicit a prostitute for a quickie? Does your attitude change? I'm just looking to see if there is a line here.

04/02/2006 11:30:31 AM · #74

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by greatandsmall:
I have a question for the Pro-strip club people:
Would you encourage your daughter to get into this industry?

Not in the least........then again I spent 30 years in a police force and wouldn't recommend she do that either.

Ray

For the same reasons?

I do believe you are failing to comprehend the analogy that I am trying to make. My daughter is her own person, and whilst I may have preferences as to the type of lifestyle she choses, I am not apt to pass judgement on because of the decision she makes.

I have no idea as to your life experiences, but rest assured that there truly are choices young ladies can make that are much worse than being an exotic dancer.

Ray