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03/26/2006 12:46:47 AM · #26 |
Maybe you could talk to the owner and buy it for $100 thus splitting the loss? Just looking for practical solutions.
Another interesting tidbit, an Ebay search for "alex smith" has nothing near $300 in value at the current time. The most expensive card recently completed is an "Exquisite Rookie Debut card with signature" and it sold for $150. So before you worry too much, you may want to search ebay for your exact card. It may be worth less than you think.
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03/26/2006 08:13:04 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Travis99:
if it was a little mom & pop store. I would take it back, if it were a big store I would keep it. |
So it's o.k. to steal from big stores? |
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03/26/2006 08:26:38 PM · #28 |
You do what you gotta do.
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03/26/2006 08:28:59 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by eslaydog:
Originally posted by Travis99:
if it was a little mom & pop store. I would take it back, if it were a big store I would keep it. |
So it's o.k. to steal from big stores? |
I'd say if you're going to steal, steal from a big chain...some place that underpays its employees, and makes more and more money every year by taking away employee benefits and other nice stuff they used to get.
Besides, larger big-chain stores have theft already factored into their budget -- besides, this isn't theft, he was sold the card -- the guy at the register should learn how to do his job.
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If you were pulled over, and the cop said you were going 35 in a 25 and gave you a $100 ticket, would you tell him that you were actually slowing down from 75 right after you just ran a stop sign? I didn't think so -- is that stealing?
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03/26/2006 09:10:20 PM · #30 |
edited to include quote
Message edited by author 2006-03-26 21:11:31. |
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03/26/2006 09:11:07 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by eslaydog:
Originally posted by Travis99:
if it was a little mom & pop store. I would take it back, if it were a big store I would keep it. |
So it's o.k. to steal from big stores? |
I'd say if you're going to steal, steal from a big chain...some place that underpays its employees, and makes more and more money every year by taking away employee benefits and other nice stuff they used to get.
Besides, larger big-chain stores have theft already factored into their budget -- besides, this isn't theft, he was sold the card -- the guy at the register should learn how to do his job.
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If you were pulled over, and the cop said you were going 35 in a 25 and gave you a $100 ticket, would you tell him that you were actually slowing down from 75 right after you just ran a stop sign? I didn't think so -- is that stealing? |
I'd say if you're going to steal... you've got problems with honesty and character.
Stealing is stealing, even when your mind makes pathetic attempts to rationalize your motives. |
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03/26/2006 09:21:31 PM · #32 |
| I think you have made the right choice in returning it. You could do yourself one better and use the experience to teach your children a lesson about "doing the right thing". Those are the types of actions that build character. |
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03/26/2006 09:26:29 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
I think you have made the right choice in returning it. You could do yourself one better and use the experience to teach your children a lesson about "doing the right thing". Those are the types of actions that build character. |
I couldn't agree more. We need more honest people in the world.
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03/26/2006 10:30:17 PM · #34 |
I agree with Roxanne...honesty is the best policy and your children don't do what you say, they do what you do. You are setting a great example for them for the rest of their life:
I think you have made the right choice in returning it. You could do yourself one better and use the experience to teach your children a lesson about "doing the right thing". Those are the types of actions that build character.text
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03/27/2006 07:45:27 PM · #35 |
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03/27/2006 07:47:42 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by eslaydog:
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by eslaydog:
Originally posted by Travis99:
if it was a little mom & pop store. I would take it back, if it were a big store I would keep it. |
So it's o.k. to steal from big stores? |
I'd say if you're going to steal, steal from a big chain...some place that underpays its employees, and makes more and more money every year by taking away employee benefits and other nice stuff they used to get.
Besides, larger big-chain stores have theft already factored into their budget -- besides, this isn't theft, he was sold the card -- the guy at the register should learn how to do his job.
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If you were pulled over, and the cop said you were going 35 in a 25 and gave you a $100 ticket, would you tell him that you were actually slowing down from 75 right after you just ran a stop sign? I didn't think so -- is that stealing? |
I'd say if you're going to steal... you've got problems with honesty and character.
Stealing is stealing, even when your mind makes pathetic attempts to rationalize your motives. |
So answer my question...because it's the same thing. Stealing from a store, or stealing from a community by not admitting to the police officer that you were speeding by more and ran a stop sign.
By your definition, every time you run a stop sign, and don't run home and call the cops on yourself, you're stealing.
The fact of the matter is, that guy needs to learn how to do his job -- and he should be fired...and the OP should get the card for $2.00
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03/27/2006 08:04:37 PM · #37 |
Baseball cards are all voodoo priced anyway. And in that industry, many a card shop owner has taken extreme advantage of naive kids.
I wouldn't worry about it.
Message edited by author 2006-03-27 20:04:51.
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03/27/2006 08:10:39 PM · #38 |
| Bankers make a ton of money. I say we all go rob a bank tomorrow. |
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03/27/2006 08:14:55 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Bankers make a ton of money. I say we all go rob a bank tomorrow. |
How is that related to baseball cards?
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03/27/2006 08:15:33 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by deapee:
So answer my question...because it's the same thing. Stealing from a store, or stealing from a community by not admitting to the police officer that you were speeding by more and ran a stop sign.
By your definition, every time you run a stop sign, and don't run home and call the cops on yourself, you're stealing.
The fact of the matter is, that guy needs to learn how to do his job -- and he should be fired...and the OP should get the card for $2.00 |
Your analogy is right out of bizzaro-world.
Main Entry: 1steal
Pronunciation: 'stE(&)l
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole /'stOl/; sto·len /'stO-l&n/; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
intransitive senses
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base
transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully b : to take away by force or unjust means c : to take surreptitiously or without permission d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of
2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner
3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard
- steal·able /'stE-l&-b&l/ adjective
- steal·er noun
- steal a march on : to gain an advantage on unobserved
- steal one's thunder : to grab attention from another especially by anticipating an idea, plan, or presentation also : to claim credit for another's idea
synonyms STEAL, PILFER, FILCH, PURLOIN mean to take from another without right or without detection. STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things . PILFER implies stealing repeatedly in small amounts . FILCH adds a suggestion of snatching quickly and surreptitiously . PURLOIN stresses removing or carrying off for one's own use or purposes
I can't see where any of the above definitions apply to what you describe. The "community" never HAD anything for you to steal, you did not take anything they were in possession of away from them.
As for the kid being fired for not knowing how to do his job??? Whoever priced the card did so in a sloppy manner. The heavy ink spot at the end of the "2" could look like a decimal point. How well was the shop lit? The employer has a responsiblity for assuring his employees are successful. You don't go around firing people for your own (or whoever) errors/sloppy work.
As for the OP, do the right thing and take it back. Your Karma will reap the benefits of your honesty.
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03/27/2006 08:20:00 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Originally posted by deapee:
So answer my question...because it's the same thing. Stealing from a store, or stealing from a community by not admitting to the police officer that you were speeding by more and ran a stop sign.
By your definition, every time you run a stop sign, and don't run home and call the cops on yourself, you're stealing.
The fact of the matter is, that guy needs to learn how to do his job -- and he should be fired...and the OP should get the card for $2.00 |
Your analogy is right out of bizzaro-world.
Main Entry: 1steal
Pronunciation: 'stE(&)l
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole /'stOl/; sto·len /'stO-l&n/; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
intransitive senses
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base
transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully b : to take away by force or unjust means c : to take surreptitiously or without permission d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of
2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner
3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard
- steal·able /'stE-l&-b&l/ adjective
- steal·er noun
- steal a march on : to gain an advantage on unobserved
- steal one's thunder : to grab attention from another especially by anticipating an idea, plan, or presentation also : to claim credit for another's idea
synonyms STEAL, PILFER, FILCH, PURLOIN mean to take from another without right or without detection. STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things . PILFER implies stealing repeatedly in small amounts . FILCH adds a suggestion of snatching quickly and surreptitiously . PURLOIN stresses removing or carrying off for one's own use or purposes
I can't see where any of the above definitions apply to what you describe. The "community" never HAD anything for you to steal, you did not take anything they were in possession of away from them.
As for the kid being fired for not knowing how to do his job??? Whoever priced the card did so in a sloppy manner. The heavy ink spot at the end of the "2" could look like a decimal point. How well was the shop lit? The employer has a responsiblity for assuring his employees are successful. You don't go around firing people for your own (or whoever) errors/sloppy work.
As for the OP, do the right thing and take it back. Your Karma will reap the benefits of your honesty. |
...and how do you know it wasn't Karma that let him buy it for $1?
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03/27/2006 08:26:59 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Baseball cards are all voodoo priced anyway. And in that industry, many a card shop owner has taken extreme advantage of naive kids.
I wouldn't worry about it. |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Bankers make a ton of money. I say we all go rob a bank tomorrow. |
How is that related to baseball cards? |
The relation has to do with an absurd statement. My sarcasm is in reaction to the assertion that it's acceptable to "steal" from a business because you do not agree with their pricing structure. Based on that logic; it's OK to steal from banks, or gas stations or any other number of retail establishments who make a profit based on a system you don't like.
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03/27/2006 08:28:02 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Baseball cards are all voodoo priced anyway. And in that industry, many a card shop owner has taken extreme advantage of naive kids.
I wouldn't worry about it. |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Bankers make a ton of money. I say we all go rob a bank tomorrow. |
How is that related to baseball cards? |
The relation has to do with an absurd statement. My sarcasm is in reaction to the assertion that it's acceptable to "steal" from a business because you do not agree with their pricing structure. Based on that logic; it's OK to steal from banks, or gas stations or any other number of retail establishments who make a profit based on a system you don't like. |
Getting a great deal from a baseball card shop is like getting free money from the mob.
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03/27/2006 08:36:15 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Getting a great deal from a baseball card shop is like getting free money from the mob. |
So let me see if I understand you:
You don't approve of their business model; therefore you can justify stealing from them? |
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03/27/2006 08:51:49 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by eslaydog:
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by eslaydog:
Originally posted by Travis99:
if it was a little mom & pop store. I would take it back, if it were a big store I would keep it. |
So it's o.k. to steal from big stores? |
I'd say if you're going to steal, steal from a big chain...some place that underpays its employees, and makes more and more money every year by taking away employee benefits and other nice stuff they used to get.
Besides, larger big-chain stores have theft already factored into their budget -- besides, this isn't theft, he was sold the card -- the guy at the register should learn how to do his job.
--
If you were pulled over, and the cop said you were going 35 in a 25 and gave you a $100 ticket, would you tell him that you were actually slowing down from 75 right after you just ran a stop sign? I didn't think so -- is that stealing? |
I'd say if you're going to steal... you've got problems with honesty and character.
Stealing is stealing, even when your mind makes pathetic attempts to rationalize your motives. |
So answer my question...because it's the same thing. Stealing from a store, or stealing from a community by not admitting to the police officer that you were speeding by more and ran a stop sign.
By your definition, every time you run a stop sign, and don't run home and call the cops on yourself, you're stealing.
The fact of the matter is, that guy needs to learn how to do his job -- and he should be fired...and the OP should get the card for $2.00 |
Even though your question is profoundly absurd, I will answer it. I don't run stop signs so I would never have the need to call the cops on myself. |
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03/27/2006 08:59:27 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
As for the OP, do the right thing and take it back. Your Karma will reap the benefits of your honesty. |
...and how do you know it wasn't Karma that let him buy it for $1? [/quote]
Yes, that's it. You are absolutely right. And when a bag of money falls from a Brinks truck to the road in front of you, it is Karma so you can keep it. Of course if the law has better Karma you will go to jail. But then if you have good Karma again, your cell mate will be impotent ;)
All in fun ;) |
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03/27/2006 09:02:17 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
As for the OP, do the right thing and take it back. Your Karma will reap the benefits of your honesty. |
...and how do you know it wasn't Karma that let him buy it for $1? |
Yes, that's it. You are absolutely right. And when a bag of money falls from a Brinks truck to the road in front of you, it is Karma so you can keep it. Of course if the law has better Karma you will go to jail. But then if you have good Karma again, your cell mate will be impotent ;)
All in fun ;) [/quote]
Karma is about balance in the universe right? So whos to say that the card wasn't bought from some kid for a dollar in the first place and the universe isn't trying to right itself?
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03/27/2006 09:02:48 PM · #48 |
Hey Brent, wasn't it you that was arguing against setting your fees as a photographer too low because it damages the photography industry in general? I thought of that when I came across your quote that "baseball card prices are all voodoo". Couldn't the same be true for photography? Maybe collectors should be stealing photographs instead?
Message edited by author 2006-03-27 21:03:40.
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03/27/2006 09:05:00 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Hey Brent, wasn't it you that was arguing against setting your fees as a photographer too low because it damages the photography industry in general? I thought of that when I came across your quote that "baseball card prices are all voodoo". Couldn't the same be true for photography? Maybe collectors should be stealing photographs instead? |
Photography isn't a commodity like baseball cards...nor should it be considered like this.
and he didn't steal the card, be bought it for the price they wanted.
Message edited by author 2006-03-27 21:05:34.
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03/27/2006 09:08:56 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Photography isn't a commodity like baseball cards...nor should it be considered like this.
and he didn't steal the card, be bought it for the price they wanted. |
No, he bought it for the price the cashier mistakenly read it to be.
So, you're saying that stealing commodities is OK? |
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